Magictallguy Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Ugh, where do we start.. Right, this isn't a flaming topic - so nobody bother! And before you continue reading, yes I know the old adage of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".. I had worked for Donnie in the past for a good chunk of time (around a year and a half). Everything was going fine. All of a sudden, he locks me out of everything I had worked on (I had re-written the code (MTG Codes v3) and had been paid for it - not much, but paid all the same). With no warning and no valid reason, instead of simply stating he no longer wants my services, he treats me like an idiot and locks me out of my own code. I heard nothing from him for a year. October 2014 starts, a random contact request pops up on my Skype. It's Donnie. Now I remember exactly what happened and didn't want to work for/with him again. Still, I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt (maybe he'd changed..) and accepted his request. He manages to get me to do little snippets here and there, before I realise, I'm back and working on the site (which was, shall we say, in dire need of repair). I completed MTG Codes v6.8 and he disappears for a little while. I login the next day after numerous polite requests for contact to find that a link to (now) my game's login page had been added, describing it as a "sister game". Naturally, I wanted to see what this sister game was.. What Donnie had done here is taken a direct rip of DRCity (now my game (drcity.org)), and uploaded to doperunners.net, claiming all rights and responsibilities. Not only that, but he's uploaded it to yet another place (namely drcity.net). It doesn't stop there.. He's only trying to sell it under the name "Doperunners Script" on The Tech Tribune. I sent a contact email through their site (before realising who owns it - I'll get to that...) and so far have heard nothing back.. That was 16 days ago (from writing this message). The owner of TheTechTribune is A2TC, the new "developer" that Donnie has hired to "maintain" my code.. You want to know the thing that has pissed me off further than most of this? A2TC has been requesting help with little snippets of code here and there. He's been modifying my code and sending it back to me when it doesn't work in order to fix it.. I can provide a full file list and I have a private repo available (for appointed invitees only) as proof that the code is indeed mine - not to mention all the references to "MTG" in the code (part of the class names, my main class file's object, the namespace, etc. All-in-all, avoid working with Donnie or A2TC. You will not benefit from it! Edit 1: I've literally just spotted this. I was active on my game (drcity.org). I go to click on my staff panel and lo-and-behold, I'm directed to doperunners.net - "his" game. Not only that, but my IP has been banned.. How cute Edit 2: More numerous attempts at contact, no response.. He'll steal from you and won't even have the balls to show his face. He's now got A2TC attempting to win me over with messages such as "can't we just agree to forget it".. Conversation history here (edit: was hosted as an HTML file) They're both manipulative lying thieves and should be avoided at all costs Edit 3: Since my larger post on page 5 of this topic, this happened (which further reinforces my original (and only) intention) * Interesting footnote, by the way - he has stated that he's paid me over $1,000.. These disputes are a full list of all payments received from him.. Seems a little short, doesn't it? Also, this happened.. Edited November 1, 2015 by Magictallguy Added new information (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Well first off as I'v said numerous times Iv payed you (aka anthony/mtg) to do coding on my game DRCity.org, which you started working on it about 6 months ago, Iv got paypal statements provided if needed saying iv paid you well over $1.5k for your coding not your time or what ever bull**** your trying to pull who would pay some one for your time on their game when your time spent there is supposed to be coding so yes to do coding that is what I payed you for . As for you saying its your game well its funny how I owned DRCity.org(url and server) since 2013 ran it with staff and other coders that worked on it till about november 2014, then hired you anthony/mtg and about after 2 months you (anthony/mtg) then switched the game to a server in your name about 3-4 months ago about january of 2015 with out my permission, then after that and seeing how you only did staff updates or making an update out of an update yes I got with a2tc and started doperunners. **** I own drcity.net, drcity,org, and doperunners.net and im the original owner. Have ran this **** almost 2 years and seeing lucky I Have the url or you be saying that was yours too. Your a coder you got payed to code, want to run a game go take your 2 sense and go start one, all in all I own drcity.org all the above posted url's/ game code to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniko Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Well first off as I'v said numerous times Iv payed you (aka anthony/mtg) to do coding on my game DRCity.org, which you started working on it about 6 months ago, Iv got paypal statements provided if needed saying iv paid you well over $1.5k for your coding not your time or what ever bull**** your trying to pull who would pay some one for your time on their game when your time spent there is supposed to be coding so yes to do coding that is what I payed you for . As for you saying its your game well its funny how I owned DRCity.org(url and server) since 2013 ran it with staff and other coders that worked on it till about november 2014, then hired you anthony/mtg and about after 2 months you (anthony/mtg) then switched the game to a server in your name about 3-4 months ago about january of 2015 with out my permission, then after that and seeing how you only did staff updates or making an update out of an update yes I got with a2tc and started doperunners. **** I own drcity.net, drcity,org, and doperunners.net and im the original owner. Have ran this **** almost 2 years and seeing lucky I Have the url or you be saying that was yours too. Your a coder you got payed to code, want to run a game go take your 2 sense and go start one, all in all I own drcity.org all the above posted url's/ game code to it. Please provide proof (also format your posts with paragraphs. It makes it easier to comprehend.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zettieee Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Reading this hurts my head :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Well first off as I'v said numerous times Iv payed you (aka anthony/mtg) to do coding on my game DRCity.org Correct Iv got paypal statements provided if needed saying iv paid you well over $1.5k for your coding Not quite. I stated clearly that you were paying for my time. We did this on a Skype call. for you saying its your game well its funny how I owned DRCity.org(url and server) since 2013 ran it with staff and other coders that worked on it till about november 2014 Semi-correct. The domain and the hosting (not server, you had shared hosting with GoDaddy) were yours. then hired you anthony/mtg and about after 2 months False. You originally hired me in 2010, it went fine, then it stopped toward the end of 2012/start of 2013. then switched the game to a server in your name about 3-4 months ago about january of 2015 with out my permission Semi-correct. I did switch the server with your permission. I triple-checked to make sure you were ok with the idea of switching. You stated, and I quote, "yeah man, this server is ****, we need a better one". I then paid out for a VPS with DRCity as the primary idea as usage on said server. then after that and seeing how you only did staff updates or making an update out of an update False. I spent hours upon hours daily on DRCity, applying updates to wherever I deemed a priority at first - you also agreed that the staff panel needed updating due to its functionality not being enough. yes I got with a2tc and started doperunners. **** I own drcity.net, drcity,org, and doperunners.net and im the original owner. Semi-correct. You own the domains listed and you are indeed the original owner. However, when our partnership broke down, you left drcity.org with the statement of "you can have it now, ive got doperunners". You also stated (and changed the statement multiple times) that you would transfer ownership of the domain drcity.org to me upon completion of multiple coding projects - the most recent being a terrible-coded, highly-outdated and obsolete casino. Your a coder you got payed to code Semi-correct. I'm a developer, and it was my time spent that was paid for. Anyone who I've worked for in the past (or are currently working for) know these terms and accept them. The reason I run this way is due to the speed in which I code. It generally works out cheaper for the client(s) if they pay by time. This also means they have the option to keep me onboard or release me from their projects at any point with no hard feelings. all in all I own drcity.org all the above posted url's/ game code to it. Semi-correct, as previously stated (2 quotes up, including this one). You do not own the code, nor the rights to it as it is not yours. According to the UCC, as I'm the author of the code, I get explicit right as I wrote it. It's a pretty simple situation really that, yet again, someone has misunderstood the terms. All-in-all, I wrote the code, I have the sole right to it. You stole the code from me, uploaded it to multiple sites and have attempted to sell it. I have permitted none of this and expect full reparations for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) MTG: ???False. You originally hired me in 2010, it went fine, then it stopped toward the end of 2012/start of 2013. Donnie: I met you on here. I'v only had one account on this site . Check my profile signed up on Join Date 11-15-2013. Same time I started DRCity.org. With that being pointed out do what you got to do im done with your bull**** lies. MTG: Semi-correct, as previously stated (2 quotes up, including this one). You do not own the code, nor the rights to it as it is not yours. According to the UCC, as I'm the author of the code, I get explicit right as I wrote it. It's a pretty simple situation really that, yet again, someone has misunderstood the terms. Donnie: You have parts of the code you wrote as before because I sent you money and paid for you to code as you had lil effect with the player base or getting the game going or running it and your ownly job was as a coder, with saying that the whole thing being your game/ script is over dramtic, as I'v started the game myself had multible coders work on it got even elance snap shots of coding that was worked on the game. MTG:The reason I run this way is due to the speed in which I code. It generally works out cheaper for the client(s) if they pay by time. This also means they have the option to keep me onboard or release me from their projects at any point with no hard feelings. Donnie: your right your now released the feelings mutual Edited April 25, 2015 by _donnie_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Donnie: your right your now released the feelings mutual If you want the rights to my code, I will grant them - assuming I receive the $2,500 you intend to obtain through sale of my engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 If you want the rights to my code, I will grant them - assuming I receive the $2,500 you intend to obtain through sale of my engine Donnie: I met you on here. I'v only had one account on this site . Check my profile signed up on Join Date 11-15-2013. Same time I started DRCity.org. With that being pointed out do what you got to do im done with your bull**** lies. Have a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniko Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Donnie: I met you on here. I'v only had one account on this site . Check my profile signed up on Join Date 11-15-2013. Same time I started DRCity.org. With that being pointed out do what you got to do im done with your bull**** lies. Have a great day. You may have started DRCity.org in 2013, but DRCity.org (the site in question)Registered on November 12, 2013 - http://who.is/whois/drcity.org [*]Doperunners.net (what DRCity.org was redirected to) Registered on February 17, 2015 - http://who.is/whois/doperunners.net. Though, previously registered 10-Aug-2013. If we check the web archive for a 2013 copy, we get a text-based game with near same concept as the current site. Perhaps the same owner, perhaps not. [*]Doperunners.com (same hostname as above, but .com) Registered on December 20, 2009 - http://who.is/whois/doperunners.com According to the web archive it was inactive up until December 14. Again, same concept of text-based game - so perhaps the same owner of doperunners.net (from Aug 2013) The account on here that lines up with the dates of 2008/2009 is Dazza and that account mentions a game with Dope in it (like DopeRunners) I'm raising this because Dazza sounds like a suitable nickname for Donnie. Edited April 25, 2015 by sniko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) iv got nothing to do with doperunners.com, only urls I own are drcity.net, drcity.org, doperunners,net, openworldcasino.com, sweetestseducation.com. Edited April 25, 2015 by _donnie_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 iv got nothing to do with doperunners.com, only urls I own are drcity.net, drcity.org, doperunners,net, openworldcasino.com, sweetestseducation.com. He was talking about in the past.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coly010 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 [MENTION=70101]_donnie_[/MENTION] can we not keep things peaceful, keep the swearing to a minimum, your becoming less and less professional with each post of yours I read. Also provide proof that MTG doesn't own the code, and also that you have had other developers work on the game. Please learn the difference between paying for time and paying for code. They are separate things. I'm a freelance developer too, but I offer my services based on the time spent coding each project, not for the code of the project, if I was to do that it would be similar to selling the rights to my code. [MENTION=53425]Magictallguy[/MENTION] can you provide screenshots of the conversation in which he said you can have the game etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) [...] [MENTION=53425]Magictallguy[/MENTION] can you provide screenshots of the conversation in which he said you can have the game etc? Aye, that I can, but I'm currently on my phone and my Skype history is on my laptop, bear with me Edited April 26, 2015 by Magictallguy Repaired BBCode tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 [MENTION=70101]_donnie_[/MENTION] can we not keep things peaceful, keep the swearing to a minimum, your becoming less and less professional with each post of yours I read. Also provide proof that MTG doesn't own the code, and also that you have had other developers work on the game. Please learn the difference between paying for time and paying for code. They are separate things. I'm a freelance developer too, but I offer my services based on the time spent coding each project, not for the code of the project, if I was to do that it would be similar to selling the rights to my code. [MENTION=53425]Magictallguy[/MENTION] can you provide screenshots of the conversation in which he said you can have the game etc? Take me to court or let the law decide. End of convo thanx for all the posts :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleMassacre Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 [MENTION=53425]Magictallguy[/MENTION], did you give your code your standard header i.e copyright header etc? If so then clearly you can prove the code is yours and fight it. Especially if you licensed it to drcity.org and it's being used on dope runners. I would just start issuing some DMCAs and get the stuff taken down pronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 [MENTION=53425]Magictallguy[/MENTION], did you give your code your standard header i.e copyright header etc? If so then clearly you can prove the code is yours and fight it. Especially if you licensed it to drcity.org and it's being used on dope runners. I would just start issuing some DMCAs and get the stuff taken down pronto lets see that happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coly010 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 [MENTION=68711]KyleMassacre[/MENTION] Even if he did add copyright headers, surely Donnie and A2TC would have just removed them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleMassacre Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Correct. But wouldnt it be a little fishy if all the files that MTG lists are his were all edited around the exact same time. Surely the host can see file last edit times. Best if he acts now. Also what would be the odds that they wrote exactly (for the most part) what MTG wrote. Also if the header is in fact gone then that makes it look even worse that they are trying to hide something. If he did decide to take all this to court, with a panel of peers, this would look real bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 My class files have headers in them, but that's it. The rest, the UCC covers me (well, the UCC covers me completely anyway) - so I didn't put headers on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 My class files have headers in them, but that's it. The rest, the UCC covers me (well, the UCC covers me completely anyway) - so I didn't put headers on them. Well lets see what happens shall we, enough with all the talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_donnie_ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Who not to let MTG code for you or do business with or on your game involving players Ok and now that im thinking about my final last words here, how can you say its mccodes v3 when theres plenty of mods from other people that did coding on the game, You taking the right to there work to which in fact would be part of my script that I had before you came along. and another thing You know damn well I bought the code, but are now doing this out of revenge, you harassed players and are now trying to screw me over because I confronted you. I didn't want to release these but you leave me no choice. I have to prove myself now because of your actions. Before you switched the server there were more then a couple of players wanting to take you to court for sexual harassment in chat mainly dealing with players under the age of 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNG Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Donnie, I think I and many others can vouch for MTG work. You are now going off topic speaking of harassment, I rarely post on here I just read and mind my own but you are now trying to make him look bad. No one here cares what he did in game I think this thread was to aware the community about you and your scam so please don't try to change the subject as if we're slow. Edited April 27, 2015 by MNG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictallguy Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Ok and now that im thinking about my final last words here, how can you say its mccodes v3 when theres plenty of mods from other people that did coding on the game, You taking the right to there work to which in fact would be part of my script that I had before you came along. [...] At what point was MC Craps v3 brought into this? You know damn well I bought the code No, you bought my time. but are now doing this out of revenge, you harassed players and are now trying to screw me over because I confronted you I rarely ever talked to the players. When I did, it was normally in response to a message I'd received from the players themselves. I didn't want to release these but you leave me no choice. I have to prove myself now because of your actions. Before you switched the server there were more then a couple of players wanting to take you to court for sexual harassment in chat mainly dealing with players under the age of 18. Highly unlikely. I'll hold my hands up and admit I made a fair few softcore references. Whilst I'm not defending, that's just part of my humour. Take it or leave it. That's the thing with humour, it's often mistaken for something more than it is. With the references being text and not spoken, a few players were unable to take the correct meaning (or, at least, the intended meaning). However, you'll also notice that the greater part of the chat-active playerbase often laughed along; some joined in, and I remember a few incidences where I've had to tone them down for going far off base. If you wish to make personal attacks, by all means, I invite you to do so! However, I would appreciate - hell, we all would - if they were, you know ... factual? I think that'd be for the best. Note to anyone whom has not taken the correct meaning, or doesn't quite understand my thread here - talk to me on Skype. I'll call you and read, word for word, my post with intended tonal inflections - complete with explanation of each sentence if requested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniko Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Ok and now that im thinking about my final last words here, how can you say its mccodes v3 when theres plenty of mods from other people that did coding on the game, You taking the right to there work to which in fact would be part of my script that I had before you came along. Wait, sorry. Let me understand this. You "bought the rights to the codes" but youre unaware they're called MTG Codes and not McCodes?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zettieee Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Redirecting domains form an established game to a new (imo) ****ty version is just bad practice! If anything you should of asked if MTG wanted to own the game or atleast run it. under handed tactics! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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