Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hi there, I am looking to form a gaming network/agency who specialise in the text-based gaming industry. As a company we will create games of our own, create our own engine, create features for other well known engines, create websites to do with the gaming industry and also build people custom games. The company will be called International Gaming Services or IGS. The domain the site will run under is http://www.igaming-services.com which will I will purchase next week. There are a few site ideas I have in my mind already for the company to start and create and I want our first money making website up within less than 2 months. A logo for the company is currently being constructed but I think it won’t be fully finished for another week or two as I am just throwing a few things together at the moment. I will be able to fund all the initial charges for the company including hosting, domains, marketting and so on up to a certain cost as I am not made of money and will keep on covering the charges until the company is able to pay for its own costs. My role within the company will be graphics designer, content/creative writer, team leader, financial accounts manager & marketing manager. I have experience running games, creating games and my main skills lie in Photoshop, Illustrator, HTML and CSS. I can design, slice and code full websites. I also have brief experience with PHP & MySQL. I have played games for around 8 years now, worked on them for 5 and have been staff on around 6 games and ran 3 so I know what it takes to run successful games and I know what players want as I am myself a keen player. I also work in business administration for a large satellite & CCTV wholesaler so I have experiences running large business’s, sorting accounts, finances, doing invoices, working with customers etc on a daily basis. The roles in which are available within the company at the moment are: -Graphics Designer: -Must be comfortable with using Photoshop & Illustrator. -Must be capable of creating full game layouts. -Must be capable of creating animated advertisement banners. -Must be creative and able to use their own initiative and creativeness to create designs for clients as we all know clients don’t always know what they are exactly after and often expect the designer to use their creativity to do so. -Would be a bonus if was capable of creating mascots. -Also must be able to collaborate and work with another designer to achieve excellent results. -Bootstrap and responsive design knowledge would also be a bonus. -3 Web Developers: -Must be comfortable with PHP, MySQL, MySQLi, HTML, CSS & Javascript. -Must have some experiences with coding for games. -Must be able to collaborate and work with another coder. -Write clean, efficient, easy to read, well commented code. -C# & C++ would be a bonus. -Must be able to write secure code. -Must be capable of fixing bugs and security issues within sites. -Experience of working with and creating mobile apps such would be a bonus. Everyone who joins now will be considered as a co-founding member and will be given 20% shares of the company. This includes 20% ownership and profits of the company and all of its sites. In the future if the company really takes off we will hire more but on a freelance basis. The company will have to be able to pay for itself before people start earning profit from it. Money will be sorted monthly in which any profits will be split between the members after all costs have been covered. Feel free to post questions if you need more info, PM me for more info or if your wishing to apply for a position then please send me a PM with these details: Name: Country: Email: Role Applying for: Experience: Skills: Portfolio: Sites you own: Kind Regards, Razor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URBANZ Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 ok could i just ask you would like all this from developers/designers but what can you offer yourself and i know your design is not the best and your coding never seen it so you just want people far better than you and just taking a cut something they could do on their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) It list in the posts above what I will be doing and where my skills lie. Edited May 24, 2013 by Razor42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URBANZ Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 yes but as i stated you would be designer no offense but you cant design http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/42711-Simple-Free-Ribbon-Award! http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/42259-Forum-Layout-What-do-you-think http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/42273-Another-Layout anyone could design these in 5 mins so all that is left is business management and a freelance developer/designer wouldn't want someone taking most of their profits just for managing a company as 20% seriously *** they would be building the company for you while you sit in the background tbh you cannot really provide any help on the design or coding side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) I respect your opinions and your more than welcome to them. I would also like to point out those are my older pieces of work when I was focusing more on coding. You must also take into consideration that running a company is very time consuming, speaking with contacts, sorting invoices, marketing, managing finances is a lot of work but it's something I work in on a daily basis and have a lot of experience doing so. Edited May 24, 2013 by Razor42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URBANZ Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 ok OLDER the last one was from Dec so your telling me your a pro designer in the space of 4-5months i dont think so and sorting invoices a system can do that and same goes for marketing and managing finances well you dont really have to do that, that is 10 second job and also a couple more question firstly your UK based how are you gonna solve the NI and TAX for people and people in different countries and also what about registering your company within the UK also if you already have a job that means Double TAX for you and any other people working with you so even more money lost from the 20% you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Which is why you need experience in running a business which is what I have and I will be able to sort these issues with people whom I work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvenom Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Hi there, I am looking to form a gaming network/agency who specialise in the text-based gaming industry. As a company we will create games of our own, create our own engine, create features for other well known engines, create websites to do with the gaming industry and also build people custom games. The company will be called International Gaming Services or IGS. The domain the site will run under is http://www.igaming-services.com which will I will purchase next week. There are a few site ideas I have in my mind already for the company to start and create and I want our first money making website up within less than 2 months. A logo for the company is currently being constructed but I think it won’t be fully finished for another week or two as I am just throwing a few things together at the moment. I will be able to fund all the initial charges for the company including hosting, domains, marketting and so on up to a certain cost as I am not made of money and will keep on covering the charges until the company is able to pay for its own costs. My role within the company will be graphics designer, content/creative writer, team leader, financial accounts manager & marketing manager. I have experience running games, creating games and my main skills lie in Photoshop, Illustrator, HTML and CSS. I can design, slice and code full websites. I also have brief experience with PHP & MySQL. I have played games for around 8 years now, worked on them for 5 and have been staff on around 6 games and ran 3 so I know what it takes to run successful games and I know what players want as I am myself a keen player. I also work in business administration for a large satellite & CCTV wholesaler so I have experiences running large business’s, sorting accounts, finances, doing invoices, working with customers etc on a daily basis. The roles in which are available within the company at the moment are: -Graphics Designer: -Must be comfortable with using Photoshop & Illustrator. -Must be capable of creating full game layouts. -Must be capable of creating animated advertisement banners. -Must be creative and able to use their own initiative and creativeness to create designs for clients as we all know clients don’t always know what they are exactly after and often expect the designer to use their creativity to do so. -Would be a bonus if was capable of creating mascots. -Also must be able to collaborate and work with another designer to achieve excellent results. -Bootstrap and responsive design knowledge would also be a bonus. -3 Web Developers: -Must be comfortable with PHP, MySQL, MySQLi, HTML, CSS & Javascript. -Must have some experiences with coding for games. -Must be able to collaborate and work with another coder. -Write clean, efficient, easy to read, well commented code. -C# & C++ would be a bonus. -Must be able to write secure code. -Must be capable of fixing bugs and security issues within sites. -Experience of working with and creating mobile apps such would be a bonus. Everyone who joins now will be considered as a co-founding member and will be given 20% shares of the company. This includes 20% ownership and profits of the company and all of its sites. In the future if the company really takes off we will hire more but on a freelance basis. The company will have to be able to pay for itself before people start earning profit from it. Money will be sorted monthly in which any profits will be split between the members after all costs have been covered. Feel free to post questions if you need more info, PM me for more info or if your wishing to apply for a position then please send me a PM with these details: Name: Country: Email: Role Applying for: Experience: Skills: Portfolio: Sites you own: Kind Regards, Razor. I now know flash, jQuery, JS, AJAX, HTML5, HTML, Php, MySQL, CSS3 and visual basic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 I received your PM and have replied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 How much experiences do you have running such an online business, especially marketing one, as I'm unsure how much work you could get for 3 developers in the short term. With that in mind what kind of rules would be imposed on those who apply? e.g. outside work still be allowed or would it all have to be done through the company? How would payment for each job be taken, pay the company then get X amount after it's profitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 The main goal of the company is not doing work for other its to have our own sites up and creating money. Work for others won't be small jobs, mainly work like creating full games or doing large jobs on their game which will require more than one member of the team. As stated before all money the company earns is put into the company and then split between the people in the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URBANZ Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 again you need to rethink as each person get 20% and saying 1 person gets hired that payment gets split 5 ways instead of the developer getting all the money made from that or at least 90% so 1 developer could be doing everything and all other sitting on their ass and getting paid for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Once again it wouldn't work like that. We wouldn't be working on small projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Once again it wouldn't work like that. We wouldn't be working on small projects. personally, i would rethink that approach, i've found it more profitable doing more small jobs with the occasional large one, rather than just focusing on large jobs. but thats just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRB Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Here is some food, for your thoughts. I am looking to form a gaming network/agency who specialise in the text-based gaming industry. As a company we will create games of our own, create our own engine, create features for other well known engines, create websites to do with the gaming industry and also build people custom games. I do this alone, so why would you need a team? More effective for any programmer who can actually write solid, well formatted code, to simply make these themselves and pay a designer $100 or so. The company will be called International Gaming Services or IGS. The domain the site will run under is www.igaming-services.com which will I will purchase next week. Why would you buy such a poor domain, with hyphen and abbrevation, when you could just get the full domain? Click here Then add to the fact that you may just face problems with IGS and you're looking to be heading down a rocky road. ALTHOUGH, I doubt this will result in anything worthy of note, so they'll probably not even bother you, since I doubt you'd be competing with them. -Must be comfortable with PHP, MySQL, MySQLi, HTML, CSS & Javascript. -Must have some experiences with coding for games. -Must be able to collaborate and work with another coder. -Write clean, efficient, easy to read, well commented code. -C# & C++ would be a bonus. -Must be able to write secure code. -Must be capable of fixing bugs and security issues within sites. -Experience of working with and creating mobile apps such would be a bonus. See point 1. Why would anybody take 20% if they have the skills to either take an 100% cut (minus design cost, which is minimal at best) or take home a $40+ paycheck working for a professional, already established, company? My 2c, but you can have them for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I've got to agree with Guest on this, your approach is completely wrong for what I believe you're trying to achieve. You could potentially act as an agent for a number of coders and give them work to complete through your company, then take a small % of each job. This would be more appealing to developers. As Guest said it's still generally better for developers to complete the work themselves then outsource the graphics as part of the job for the client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mint Berry Crunch Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) I've got to agree with Guest on this, your approach is completely wrong for what I believe you're trying to achieve. You could potentially act as an agent for a number of coders and give them work to complete through your company, then take a small % of each job. This would be more appealing to developers. As Guest said it's still generally better for developers to complete the work themselves then outsource the graphics as part of the job for the client. Exactly, I don't see why people believe it's necessary to have several people with fixed roles working as a team with equal share in a company. This is something I see a lot of in browser game forums and what not. I don't see why you can't centralise it by doing the bulk of the work yourself and then contracting out specialist requirements. Much cheaper and less hassle to outsource work than having employees or partners in a business. Edited May 30, 2013 by Mint Berry Crunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 When your thinking small maybe. As for domain that's not a 100% guarantee yet and neither is company name, as we aren't officially a company nothing is set in stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 One Developer spot left. Anyone interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz` Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 When your thinking small maybe. As for domain that's not a 100% guarantee yet and neither is company name, as we aren't officially a company nothing is set in stone. You keep saying "when you're thinking small" whenever anyone gives you relevant advice. What are these "big" projects you have in mind then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Projects will be discussed within the team and with people whom are really interested in joining. I don't wish to post my ideas on the forum for everyone to see. We now have 2 designers and 2 real strong coders and looking for one extra coder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Projects will be discussed within the team and with people whom are really interested in joining. I don't wish to post my ideas on the forum for everyone to see. We now have 2 designers and 2 real strong coders and looking for one extra coder. May I ask who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor42 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Non of them are actually a part of this community. Well one is but I'm not sure if he would want people to know as he runs other business's etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvenom Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 am i in know you said if i make you a contact script im in your group so i made a contact script for you using jquery, javascript, html, php and css for free i could hav charged you and all you saud was thanks now you want a horse racing script well im not making it because it takes my time and effort and i cant do it for free i want to be in first or your a scammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Non of them are actually a part of this community. Well one is but I'm not sure if he would want people to know as he runs other business's etc. Fair enough. I wish you the best of luck with your new partners. :) am i in know you said if i make you a contact script im in your group so i made a contact script for you using jquery, javascript, html, php and css for free i could hav charged you and all you saud was thanks now you want a horse racing script well im not making it because it takes my time and effort and i cant do it for free i want to be in first or your a scammer. It doesn't make him a scammer, I ask to see examples of work when outsourcing basic things to someone I've never worked with. If I was going into partnership with someone, and taking others along with me I would ask for examples a lot more complex then a contact script. I'm also a little interested to know why you have listed Jquery and JavaScript as if they are different things when Jquery is a JavaScript library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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