Danny696 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Blog post - http://makewebgames.io/entry.php/128-27-08-2011 Hey guys, this is a follow up form my blog post, check it out above. This post is about my site, http://www.daniel-hanson.com, its needed a makeover for a while now, and I'm doing it now. I've got two designs, but need your help deciding on which one to use. I've uploaded them both, but left them with the default info, with the infamous John Doe. Version 1 - http://www.daniel-hanson.com/new1 Version 2 - http://www.daniel-hanson.com/new2 Your thoughts are appreciated, Please vote by commenting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran-R Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 First one in my opinion. Straight to the point, and no need to click for fancy effects ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rulerofzu Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 v2 v1 looks similiar to another website so I would always go for v2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGato Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I like version 2 better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniko Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Personally, I prefer new1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I like v1 better too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I'm with SRB on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny696 Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 With regards to people without JS, when I put up the site, I will add a nice noscript tag, Please vote ignoring the users without Javascript. And voting will stopped on 30th Augast 12:00 AM GMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudinski Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I prefer #1, it's elegant, artistic and professional. If I may ask, where did you buy it? Or if you created it, for how much are you willing to sell? (PM me) Neither, on the basis that if someone has JS disabled, as some people still do, both show messed up. Well, the first shows nothing but a background and the second shows one full section, with half of another attached to the bottom. If you are going to go with JS, at least make sure it has the ability to show content to browsers/users with JS disabled. Just my 2c The website is designed for people who want to know more about him, not the other way around. Going by the assumption that javascript is disabled, is quite and old idea - browsers these days are much more intelligent, and most vulnerabilities are long gone(such as Chrome, no breaks as of yet). In my opinion, if they want to know more about him, they will make a sacrifice. It's not that they don't have it, or that they don't use it, it's just that they are paranoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudinski Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 You, as a web designer/programmer, should never make assumptions or demands of the users. After all, your job is to make the web a readily accessible place, not cut corners and limit anyone. With the same logic, why should anyone use IE fix's, when we could all just say - *shrugs* Should have used FF! It sounds to me as though you are trying to shift the blame of a limited display onto the users preference of browsing options. I'm the type of developer that keeps up with the latest and greatest, so excuse me for not wanting to waste my time developing dependencies. Let's take for instance HTML5, and some of it's uses like storage, drag&drop, sql, etc.. Now if I develop and offline application, I know IE 6 won't run these. So that will either mean that I have to abandon the project due to one inferior browser, or I will have to create a plugin able to do all this offline(Java, SL, etc.). If you still make two applications for the purpose of accomplishing one thing, you are a fool. And to get back on topic, this is his portfolio, it shouldn't matter anyways. As long as it has the same basic functionality in all browser, it's good. It's not a company website, it doesn't have to work for everyone; it only has to work for the people who want to know more about them. In that aspect, I doubt he will get any hits from IE6 unless it's CSRF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadyCoco Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 V1 is the same as MrDJK (dj kanna) So id go with V2 :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudinski Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) @ShadyCoco: Nope, DJK uses another template. Some days, I just feel I am surrounded by idiots who would not know the basics of being a decent class of programmer if it jumped up with a baseball bat and smacked it across their heads *sigh* All you continuously say is that the user should fit within your criteria and if they do not, they are not worth your time. Shows great commitment to your job, I am sure *rolls eyes* Great work - I can see you going real far with that short sighted vision! Give me a shout in 5 years when you are still working on mc code ;) You sound childish and immature, and given your spelling, grammar and overall attitude, I'm positive that you are. I might limit as to who my users are, but by doing that I'm able to achieve greater things, and make use of the latest and greatest. You are stuck in the closet, using the same old techniques to patch outdated browsers, virtually trapping yourself in an old-vs-new type prison. Please see the bigger picture here: everybody have their opinion, not everyone is wrong, they might just have a different perspective. Oh, and PS.: Programming isn't my job, it's one of my hobbies. Edited August 29, 2011 by Spudinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bertrand Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 First of all please keep the thread clean of insults... as it doesn't help to improve the community here. For the browser war, I can understand both point of views and I would say it pretty much depends what you want to do. For example we have to extreme paths: 1) I want to make a game using all the latest possible techs and accept to limit my audience to the people which have the required hardware / software. I may supose that if my game / site / soft is cool enough people will install the required tools or upgrade their hardware. 2) I want to make sure that my site / soft / game will run for most, and therefore will find tricks to make it run everywhere or use only the features which are accessible to all as for me the most important thing is to have the biggest possible market share. Now for 1) you may end up with something more... exotic and which shows more effects without yet being annoyed by compatibility. 2) would be the safest way as you never know who will try to play / use your site yet this road is full of work to make even some simple things like rounded border works over most if not all browsers and you will need to accept to lower your possibilities. At work, I have exactly this problem, some users use IE 8 (not 9!) and some uses FF which can be on windows or linux, therefore I must ENSURE that all works for everyone. Now for my latest personal project I decided to go and use Silverlight, which means windows users only, and forget those linux users all together... even mac users will not have good results in my own experience. That may work for me, but may not for other people. So don't flame other people here because they do have different opinions, we all have different goals... and therefore different paths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runthis Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 IE6 was released in 2001, currently (or atleast a year ago) 9.7% percent globally and 1.7% percent in the U.S use IE6. But these numbers can get fuzzy. For your site, these numbers would be more close to 0.7% percent globally and 0.02% percent in the U.S. The reason is because you are running a technical site.Just like i am running a hacking game, i have yet to see one user on anything lower than IE8, in fast most use firefox. Take a look at it two ways The reason someone has IE6 is for two reasons (or a bunch of wierd reasons, but heres the two) They are using windows 2000 which only goes up to IE6, or they use windows XP sp1 from 2001 and they turned off updates for ten years or deny the new only IE updates. Ok, if they are stuck on xp sp1 and they turned off updating, they would have problems on most websites. In fact during a recent exploration i noticed that most commercial websites will give you a message (you are using an inferior browser, please upgrade) and even youtube will tell you, (we cant even play you anything) because youtube in a nice, but very annoying way has made their site html5 compatible. Don't worry about your IE6 visitors, If you are running a tech savvy game, or website. Chances are you don't even care if the IE6 visitor stays or leaves forever. Although you also have to consider the Joe Dirt thing, its not about you its about the consumer. So why not make a little bit of javascript to tell them (hey, your browser is nearing 11 years in age) and provide them with a link to the microsoft website. You can refer your visitors to this website made by microsoft if they have IE6 and show them that the company who made it think they should upgrade. http://www.ie6countdown.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runthis Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Also since last year the 9.7% of IE users globally was dropped down from 16.9% to that 9.7% this year. Next year i am sure it will be as close to 4%, so program away, get all your ideas, newest technology or what, if it is cool enough, like alan says, your users will probably upgrade, and in the long run, thank you for enriching their web experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bertrand Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 runthis: don't know from where you take your values, but overall IE is still the most used browser (all version together). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2 http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://insights.chitika.com/2011/2710/ Where I do agree is that IE is losing market which is not too bad by itself, where I would be more worried for Chrome myself if it grab too much market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runthis Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 My values are from microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny696 Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 Well, if you guys want to have a nice IE 6 topic, feel free to start a new one, but for now, voting is over, and could the topic please be locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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