[Split] Would you work for $5?

[rulerofzu]

Really who works for $5??

[HauntedDawg]

A hobo? A kid? A person who wants to do it for fun? A person who is not cared about the money? this list can go on. Now please, if you have nothing better to say than just a 1liner, then kindly move to the next thread.

It seems as tho, because your game has not made you some cash, that you can bloat around like you own the place, like everyone must listen to you. But, you are just another person in this world, I've had a game thats made $1,200 in just 3 weeks. Do you see me bloating, do you see me saying "Who works for $5"? No. So neither should you. Shut up and move along, im sure im not the only person that feels this way about all your 5 worded comments.

[Guest]

A hobo? A kid? A person who wants to do it for fun? A person who is not cared about the money? this list can go on. Now please, if you have nothing better to say than just a 1liner, then kindly move to the next thread.

It seems as tho, because your game has not made you some cash, that you can bloat around like you own the place, like everyone must listen to you. But, you are just another person in this world, I've had a game thats made $1,200 in just 3 weeks. Do you see me bloating, do you see me saying "Who works for $5"? No. So neither should you. Shut up and move along, im sure im not the only person that feels this way about all your 5 worded comments.

Yet the fact remains, Who works for $5? Would you?

[rulerofzu]

Got a problem with me dawg you can ...

1. Refund the paypal money for that work you never did for me. I see your quick enough to comment on others that scam but are a scammer yourself.

2. PM me if you have something to say. Not that I care about your comments views thoughts or anything else as I dont have much time for scammers. Take your own advice and shut up.

$5 is not worth any bit of code or design work PERIOD. Know the value of money and you own self worth and never ever be desperate enough to short change yourself.

[Nickson]

Topic split from http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/41745-Layout

But think about this "open source" .. they don't get paid at all, while some others do. I'd say it really depends on what you're doing and for what reason ;)

[rulerofzu]

Open source is completely different.

That is generally deciding to do a project in your own time so its not a paid for commission.

Advantages of doing something open source is that someone likes your work and you get commissioned for something else. I cant imagine any of them doing work for $5.

[Nickson]

That's completely true, but how many full time freelancers with no other job are around on mwg? Maybe some are, but I doubt all their commissioned work comes from mwg. I can't place a number on that. I'd say most are still students or people who work on side-projects in their free time. Same counts for me, I have real job (educational for now), so mwg + "related work" (I find it scary to call it work) comes afterwards when I have the time. Which doesn't mean I'll work for $5, I'm just looking for the right opportunity. Sometimes I'll do a freebie, sometimes I won't. But I think some people rather get a little bit of pocket change in order to spend it on something else on the internet so they turn out break even.

[Dave]

I've sold things I have made for $5, or if I'm helping out a friend and they offer to make a "donation" of sorts I never mind how much that is.

So yes, I would work for $5 but only under circumstances that I wanted to.

[W3Theory || Peter]

I think it would have to depend, if the job is worth 5$ and doesn't take up more than 30m of my time. Yes, I would do it. Besides that, I wouldn't as most jobs don't take less than 30 minute (that is including opening up the system to do the work in).

[sniko]

I've worked for 5$ a lot before in the past, primarily thinking of the future, as I was building my customer base, reputation and experience. I'm like Dave, now, under my circumstances now.

[Seker]

First off, from the reading I've done around here and the replies I've seen, I have to agree with Dawg in some respect. You are on a bit of a high horse sometimes, RoZ.

As far as working for $5... It's almost inevitable, as everyone likes to chime in with their "That's not worth $xx" or "Why pay that much?." I remember reading SRB's post that said to never compromise on your price. Only *I* know how much time I really put into something and *I* know what it's worth to me. I price based on guidelines *I* set. In any case, asking for something to be done for cheap is everyone's right. Just as choosing not to do it if you think it's too cheap is your right.

Creating a whole thread about it is ludicrous. It's not constructive, and it certainly does nothing for the community, except, again, put you up on your high horse.

[Kieran-R]

Many people would work for $5. Mabe you wouldn't, but many would. Not everyone may be on the same earnings as you would (not saying I know your earnings though), and $5 may mean a heck of a lot to them.

If you are just starting off in the online world, then earning any amount, never mind $5 is an achievement. I'm pretty sure your kind of attitude will be very discouraging and disheartening for any of the younger game owners or developers, or even those who have never really earned a decent amount online.

[Dominion]

Completely depends, but in relation to the original thread (that was converting a PSD => html, and integrating it for mcc) would I do it for $5? Probably not.

Generally speaking would I sell something for $5; sure, because it’s always possible the market for multiple sales is there. Even ten sales would make something simple worth my time.

Doing it for a friend is a completely different situation.

Edited May 29, 2012 by Dominion

[rulerofzu]

You may think of me on my high horse you are welcome to your opinion of me.

I think of it being business minded. I saw a young designer still at school do some work recently for a local sports club. The site was utter rubbish however he tried his best and put all his effort into it.

For sure his hourly rate is less than mine. So it should be however he felt what his rate was worthy and thats what he charged and it was more than $5 and he got paid. In fact we all chipped in and got him an award for his efforts and I chatted to him about his design and what he could do to improve it for next year of which he was very happy.

My attitude is not discouraging in one bit. If you was to ask me what should I charge I would give you an honest opinion and it wouldnt be $5. To me its just as insulting as paying $5 a month to some poor woman to make you adidas trainers. Oh do I hear you say thats different? well is it? They have to as its forced upon them.

In the same way people take advantage of youngsters wishing to break into design and coding. If you cant pay a decent wage do it yourself or go without.

[Seker]

You may think of me on my high horse you are welcome to your opinion of me.

I think of it being business minded. I saw a young designer still at school do some work recently for a local sports club. The site was utter rubbish however he tried his best and put all his effort into it.

For sure his hourly rate is less than mine. So it should be however he felt what his rate was worthy and thats what he charged and it was more than $5 and he got paid. In fact we all chipped in and got him an award for his efforts and I chatted to him about his design and what he could do to improve it for next year of which he was very happy.

My attitude is not discouraging in one bit. If you was to ask me what should I charge I would give you an honest opinion and it wouldnt be $5. To me its just as insulting as paying $5 a month to some poor woman to make you adidas trainers. Oh do I hear you say thats different? well is it? They have to as its forced upon them.

In the same way people take advantage of youngsters wishing to break into design and coding. If you cant pay a decent wage do it yourself or go without.

My opinion of you is based off what I have seen, myself, and nothing else. Obviously, those are very specific circumstances, so I cannot say you're always like that. But seeing you reply "Use the search" on every other post is just kind of rude. Especially when there's a good chance the one asking has already done so. For you to assume otherwise is wrong on your part. If you wish to help, help. If not, just don't reply. It's simple.

And, are the sweat shop laborers different? Absolutely. They are being forced, or have no other choice. If someone asks for a $5 job, it's entirely up to everyone else if they want to take it on or not. It's not taking advantage to ask PUBLICLY. Maybe the one taking it on doesn't really care about the money. Maybe they have a lower quality of work. Who knows? It's their choice. Being their choice makes it neither wrong nor right. It's just their CHOICE. It's not like the requester is holding a gun to their head.

Now, someone asking what they could get for a quality piece and everyone lowballing them so they don't have to pay as much IS different. It's an evaluation of the coder's work. It should be given honestly.

[Guest]

Completely depends, but in relation to the original thread (that was converting a PSD => html, and integrating it for mcc) would I do it for $5? Probably not.

Generally speaking would I sell something for $5; sure, because it’s always possible the market for multiple sales is there. Even ten sales would make something simple worth my time.

Doing it for a friend is a completely different situation.

Selling something is totally different, he asked for something to be done specifically, if i were to resell it and know I would get sales then maybe, but custom work no.

[Dominion]

Selling something is totally different, he asked for something to be done specifically, if i were to resell it and know I would get sales then maybe, but custom work no.

I did cover the original question first. If they want it custom there would be no possibility of selling it, therefore it would not be worth the time. That is without specific circumstances e.g. building a portfolio etc...

[rulerofzu]

Seker. 9/10 someone asking something which is clearly in front of their eyes will get told to use the search. Cant actually remember the last time i told someone that so hell cant be doing it that much!

A kid who cannot get any other work is being forced to take on that $5 work yes its their choice. No i dont agree with it.

Now lets go back to what this was relative too for coding xhtml/css from a PSD. Who does that for $5? and if you take on a young kid to do it you KNOW it should cost you more and your taking advantage and therefore should be ashamed of yourself.

Regardless if the kid wishes to do it or not. Its shameful and I do not believe its good for anyone. The kid does the work and then learns at a later date what an absolute pisstaking w*nker you are for only paying $5.

Oh and by the way...I also do not like those that overcharge in the same way. I detest designers that state Ill charge $5000 for something that should only cost $200. Just dont take the piss its bad karma!

Edited May 29, 2012 by rulerofzu

[Cronus]

*steals cookie from SRB and kicks back*

[HauntedDawg]

@RoZ, I don't have a paypal account, so you can forget about your $20 until prior notice. And Scammer? It's a big difference if my hard drive failed and didnt have any of my applications nor a pc for 2 months. On the other hand, please do ask Peter what i wanted to do with $20 like a month ago. Just mention i was going to do work on his resistance website. He will then telll you what i wanted to do with that $20. So don't think i've forgotten about the $20 either.

But your still on a high horse.

[rulerofzu]

Dawg. Scammers come out with endless excuses.

Oh i no longer have a paypal account. Well you had one to take paypal payments so honestly thats got to be a lie or did paypal close it due to notifications of scams performed by yourself?

Oh my hard drive failed. 95% of data can be recovered from failed drives. Been there done that.

Your next pathetic excuse is?

I do not need to ask Peter and why would I. Peter had nothing to do with the transaction between us. Its really not relevant.

Facts speak for themselves. I paid you to do some work. You never did it and wont refund the money. You call that a scam and your endless excuses to try and justify it is laughable but continue making a fool of yourself.

I know you dont like the truth but there it is. Yes my horse is very high I sit on it with pride knowing ive never scammed anyone and always pay my staff a decent wage rather than down in the dirt where scammers belong.

[Nickson]

It's a big difference if my hard drive failed and didnt have any of my applications nor a pc for 2 months

Best excuse since the dog ate our homework! This is never, and will never be a valid excuse...

[HauntedDawg]

Believe what you want. Your just one pathetic man in this game, why should i even CARE what you think? Have you brought me money? NO, have you taken money from me? No, have i lost business cause of you? No.

If and when Peter see this, he will hopefully clarify what i wanted to do with the $20 he was going to pay me for some work. Which is 1 year after, and i did not even hear from you in past 6 month's, but i still thought of it.

I won't say anything else, cause you will just think it's another excuse. But whatever... Not once have i scammed, and because you lost $20 due to my hard drive failing, now i'm being classified as a scammer, o wait. Only you are classifying me as a scammer.

I've done way more work for this community than you have, been here since 2005/6 (Late 2005), and not once have i actually scammed anyone. Get over it.

[W3Theory || Peter]

I can confirm that this happen, HD mention that if I did hire him for work if the money can be just sent to RulerZ PayPal address.

[W3Theory || Peter]

Oh RulerZu, you should have a 22$ payment sent to you. HD, did work for me and so he wanted the payment to go towards this. I took the address from your game site and hope it is the right one.