rulerofzu Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Your site didnt even work for me. Not a good start eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Try again, I might have had a typo in post. It should work now. Edited June 13, 2011 by Teath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bineye Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 What are the benefits in the hosting being on and offshore? And how can you prove that this is the case, and not just a reason to charge more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Your site tells me nothing about you. I want to read your terms of service, privacy policy etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 It's all up on knowledgebase. Available from the menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Host files that use too much bandwidth and/or disk space. What to you consider "too much"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmoflegends Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 The ordering site itself is just a default WHMCS setup, with not even a logo or styling of any kind. It would be nice to see a little more effort from my (prospective) host. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 The benefits of offshore hosting is that no US laws apply to you. You can host nulled scripts, etc. No copyrights or what so ever apply to you. Proof that we are offshore: http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&host=46.243.8.39 Our servers are located in Cyprus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 The ordering site itself is just a default WHMCS setup, with not even a logo or styling of any kind. It would be nice to see a little more effort from my (prospective) host. :) We started a week ago ;) We are looking for active staff and support also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 What to you consider "too much"? I consider "too much" when user is using unreasonably huge space which he/she doesn't need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Cyprus is part of the EU why do you consider the laws there any better then the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bertrand Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Cyprus laws don't have copyright laws? That's new to me... http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 US or EU Copyright laws don't apply there. Only copyrights registered in Cyprus. Not many of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bineye Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 The benefits of offshore hosting is that no US laws apply to you. You can host nulled scripts, etc. No copyrights or what so ever apply to you. Proof that we are offshore: http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&host=46.243.8.39 Our servers are located in Cyprus. I see. And you are sure Cypriot Law allows this? Remember just because you aren't in the country doesn't mean it makes it legal. I do know that some country's laws are more relaxed than others, but just be sure Cyprus is one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bertrand Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Completly wrong! Check the link I gave you. First of all it's not really off-shore, second copyright laws apply as in must countries. So stop advertising vapor-ware and illegal services on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uridium Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I cant even load the pages Teath listed my malware progam seems to think its malicious It probably isnt but it blocked it anyway 16:19:21 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:19:27 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:19:33 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:19:36 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:19:42 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:20:30 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:20:33 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:20:39 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:20:51 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:20:54 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) 16:21:00 Dad IP-BLOCK 46.243.8.39 (Type: outgoing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 Completly wrong! Check the link I gave you. First of all it's not really off-shore, second copyright laws apply as in must countries. So stop advertising vapor-ware and illegal services on this site. The hosting is off-shore. And you can always order on-shore, if you consider it to be better. US copyright laws don't apply in Cyprus, nor do others registered in EU, if they are not registered in Cyprus. I have read the laws =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 I cant even load the pages Teath listed my malware progam seems to think its malicious It probably isnt but it blocked it anyway It might be because of our server's location. I can assure you the site is tested and not malicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) The hosting is off-shore. And you can always order on-shore, if you consider it to be better. US copyright laws don't apply in Cyprus, nor do others registered in EU, if they are not registered in Cyprus. I have read the laws =) Feel free to link to a full copy? Edited June 13, 2011 by Dominion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teath Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 Feel free to link to a full copy? I have no link to full copy, sorry. You asked me to explain how it doesn't apply. The copyright only applies in the countries it is registered and accepted by the local department. If I register a copyright in the UK, for example, it applies in the UK only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Cyprus became a fully-fledged and equal Member State of the European Union on 1 May 2004 and is subject to EU law. According to the case-law of the Court of Justice of the European Union (Δικαστήριο της Ευρωπαϊκης Ένωσης), EU law takes precedence over the national law of the Member States, including both domestic laws and the Constitution. https://e-justice.europa.eu/contentPresentation.do?plang=en&idCountry=cy&idTaxonomy=6&member=1&vmac=Ewistt_xeS2u0VQheIFkwIp1Swalcitwt7VOVu08W3B55yWMnmZ_Zmrli36mktrovfnwoHL4l5uDheELzuIU_gAAAkcAAANc Kind of shows EU copyright is automatic- http://www.eucopyright.com/en/why-should-i-register-my-work-if-copyright-protection-is-automatic Edited June 13, 2011 by Dominion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bineye Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 If I register a copyright in the UK, for example, it applies in the UK only. I am only a young pup, at 21, but there may have been a time where this was true, however, EU Law covers that a copyright registered in an EU member state is covered throughout the entire EU, not just one state. I have been told about UK copyrights applying in all Commonwealth states, however, I have no knowledge of whether or not that is true. But my point is, the Laws still apply. And from watching numerous episodes of Dragon's Den, they often mention that you need written consent to use/sell a copyrighted US product or service here in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URBANZ Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 i dont think you will get many customers as your on a reseller hosting yourself and dont own any servers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky3809 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) lol sorry but there is a copyright law in EU like many have stated!! The only country that does not follow is an island forgot the name of the island though and Afghanistan... but i can guarantee there is a copyright law in EU I know many hosting that is there and it even says in their terms of service so why is yours different? Are you even a Legit hosting company? Copyright Copyrights in Cyprus are regulated by the Right of Intellectual Property Law 59/76, as amended by Laws 63/77, 18/93, 54(I)/99, 12(I)/2001, 128(I)/2002, 128(I)/2004, 123(I)/2006 and 181(I)/2007. Rights are recognized under the Law for every protected object whose beneficiary or, if there is more than one beneficiary, any one of them is at the time of the creation of the right, or if it is a broadcast, the time of the transmission of the broadcast, a qualifying person, namely: · A person who is a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus or who habitually resides in the Republic; · A legal person, established in accordance with the laws of the Republic; or · A citizen of another member state of the European Union. Protection against infringement. The Right of Intellectual Property Law provides remedies for copyright infringement. For the criminal offences listed in the Law, penalties include a fine or imprisonment for up to three years. In addition, the court may order the offender to destroy any copies of the work in his possession or to deliver them to the copyright owner. Civil remedies include damages, destruction or delivery of infringing copies and the equipment by which copies are produced, an account of profits and an injunction. Duration of registration and protection. There is no system of copyright registration in Cyprus. Copyright is conferred on works once created, as of right. Copyright law protects Cyprus nationals for their works which are published anywhere in the world, and foreign nationals for their works published in Cyprus. Copyright exists in: · Scientific works, literary works including computer software, musical works, artistic works including photographs and an original database for a period of 70 years, commencing from the death of the author. · Films, for a period of 70 years, commencing from the death of the last survivor of the following, irrespective of whether they have been appointed conventionally, or are considered by law, as co-creators: · producer · primary director · script writer · screenplay writer · composer of any music specially composed for the film. The 2002 amendment of the Right of Intellectual Property Law harmonises domestic legislation with the EU Copyright Directive 93/98 which itself harmonized the term of protection of copyright and certain related rights. At the same time it implements other EU directives on the legal protection of software, rental and lending rights, copyright and rights related to copyright applicable to satellite broadcasting and cable retransmission and the Intellectual Property 18 legal protection of databases. The 2004 amendment establishes a new type of copyright within the framework of the information society; it expands the legal protection afforded in relation to reproductions and contains new provisions on interactive, on-demand broadcasting and rights-management information. In an effort to combat copyright infringement, a further development is the substantial increase in the amount of fines and the term of imprisonment imposed on persons infringing copyright. Law 123(I)/2006 amends copyright law to facilitate the disclosure of information by any person who is in possession of illegal products on a commercial scale or who has been found using illegal services on a commercial scale, regarding their origin and distribution channels. Law 181(I)/2007 prohibits the reproduction of the euro note and coins. Intellectual Property Edited June 13, 2011 by lucky3809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bertrand Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Again some people fail to make the difference between copyright and patents. Patents need to be registered and are valid ONLY in the country where they are registered. Copyrights on the other side don't require any registration and are valid more or less world wide. Patents lasts normally 20 years, where copyrights are generally lasting lifetime of the author + 50 years. When you write a book, paint, create music or create a computer software, that particular creation is covered by copyrights. Patents on the other side cover the way to solve something. So if you have a patent about "e-shops" then nobody shall create e-shops in the country you have the patents. Where copyrights simply prevent people to use the same and exact code or derivative works without your agreement. That mean it is completely legal to create another script doing the same as for example McCode as long as you don't use McCode source code as basis. Now for this "off-shore" hosting, you clearly don't have any rights to host illegal copies of scripts, so again stop advertising it here as we will be forced to kick you out of the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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