George Lui

[BrowserGamesFactory]

Myself and George both created the template and the mascots were created by our illustrator who is not on this site.

Anyway claiming to do all the stuff by your team I have doubts

I apologize

maybe I'm dumb

[Dave]

We never stated that we created the text on InfantryX, we used the logo from the originally template that peter created where the text was purchased from GameSiteTemplates. We have a new template being created which removes the use of this text to make our site 100% custom. I apologise on behalf of me and George if any confusion has been caused over the logo text on the site.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

so next then

coincidence again

I really must be dumb

[Dave]

so next then

coincidence again

I really must be dumb

Yes it's an image from google? Is this a concern to you? No copyright is present for the image?

How many other template designers use images from google and other public sources? I imagine you have on a number of occasions. Your point is yet again. Invalid.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

You should ask permission from http://www.mediabistro.com/ to use that blueprint img.....

It's their stuff ....

so next is also free then... and not designed by your fabulous team

[Dave]

We never stated that we created the text on InfantryX, we used the logo from the originally template that peter created where the text was purchased from GameSiteTemplates. We have a new template being created which removes the use of this text to make our site 100% custom. I apologise on behalf of me and George if any confusion has been caused over the logo text on the site.

So how much of it did you and him do? Just to clear it up...

Well George created a large amount of it, but obviously we didn't create the blue prints, that report towards the bottom left, the image of the soldier on the ID card and the dog tag. As far as I'm aware we created everything else using textures and various brushes. Also all the images we have used we believe to not hold any copyright.

As I have also stated, This page is temporary. We have a new one which is ready to be implemented soon.

[Guest George]

giggles uncontrollably, telling stories once again i see. Makes me wonder if you really put the time into vectors yourself, or if you bought them, or if you just stole them.

Makes ME wonder if you are allowed to resell, redistribute and earn profit through models that you use. As I know for certain you use many models in your 3D Renderings that are copyright to the specific registered model distributors. I believe the terms go with no resale, no modification distributions so please, before putting things on us, stop being such a hypocrite, as well as everyone, does everyone here have so much time on their hands to be flaming. The vectors where designed by a member of our team, Cristian, and there copyright with our company and artist. So, all in all, Hehe, I DO giggle uncontrollably. :rolleyes:

We are also going with a complete style change which once it is finished, i invite EVERYONE to please, waste hours of their time to search and see if we did it.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

Just admit in the future you used free stuff, we did it also on the example of the nebula attack fighter presentation. (showing the links where we obtained the freely available parts)

Claiming you made stuff while not just kills your credibility even more, you both lost already a lot and once again even more.

Do I really have to show the weapon images also , or will you post it.

[Lilith]

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=1285490&sid=e7b99bf513a5acf18fc334017c40741c Read it there if you have any doubts George. May I point out blondie9999

 

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Posted:02 Jun 2008 11:29

There are some people who use products sold here to make illustrations, such as for book covers, CD covers, etc., as well as for making posters and art prints and the like.

You cannot re-sell any of the products sold here, or give them away or otherwise redistribute them. You can, however, sell pictures rendered using these products, or animations, or other such things. For instance, you could render a picture of the Millennium Dragon, have the picture put on coffee-mugs or T-shirts, and sell them-- and some people do that sort of thing using online stores such as CafePress.

As with any other graphic art, building up a business takes a lot of time and work. You're not going to be "making a living" off it anytime soon, if ever.

[Dave]

Just admit in the future you used free stuff, we did it also on the example of the nebula attack fighter presentation. (showing the links where we obtained the freely available parts)

Claiming you made stuff while not just kills your credibility even more, you both lost already a lot and once again even more.

Do I really have to show the weapon images also , or will you post it.

I welcome you to post proof that we somehow stole images that we had drawn up. I have the .tiff files sitting here on my computer so feel free to try and prove we didn't create them.

and to create a layout is to generally put together a load of other assests (Including brushes, textures and certainly other images of the internet) and them make them into some form of web page. For instance the MWG logo contains an image of a game controller. I'm sure you didn't create that mdshare.

I solely welcome you to prove that in this there is copyright issues? Please present them all to me formally or they will be ignored and dis-guarded.

Also I'd like to say to djkanna and dominion, I love how you are improving the PR of MWG by what I would call targeting an individual or in this case a party instead of being mutual and helping the situation be resolved.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

The game controller you will have to fight with Alain Bertrand as he did the full render from scratch. If you look closely you would see it's even a half render as the wireframe is still there also. Anyway a_bertrand made this fully from scratch with LightWave.

Next I never said there are copyright issues, I just stated that the images made aren't made by your team nothing more.

For the weapon images, guess I have to visit turbosquid.

[Dave]

@dominion

The comment wasn't really aimed at you as much so as Djkanna. I think of you highly for seeing my request to have the topic locked and doing so. Where as I was not impressed with Djkanna's actions towards my request.

I requested the topic to be locked. Not removed. I agree staff members should not be able to get any topic they wish removed but locking is a different matter. If that post had continued it could of ended up in a horrible state which would then mean it would need to be removed.

[Dave]

Ok I must admit, when I was reading through some of this, it's abit shocking. Which I mean: They didn't tell us

I myself should of thought they should of owned up to the images, but just explained what they have done. Like C'mon, game looks great. No copyright(I think), but obviously they probably wanted to give it on a down fall..

I'm on Dave's and George's side. Not because there friends of mine. Because there not a bunch of assholes.. :)

So you are calling me an asshole for posting?

If this topic goes into anymore attacks (on anyone) I am going to lock it and just leave it locked i am sure it would to dave The world of good as it is...

I would prefer this topic to remain unlocked. I am proud of my companies work and I am very certain that our site is not breaching any laws what so ever. I wish for mdshare to attempt to prove me wrong at any point but I would need proof showing that the images are solely stolen and used against the rights of the original owner. If he cannot do so, then it just proves what kind of a man he is?

[Dave]

@dominion

The comment wasn't really aimed at you as much so as Djkanna. I think of you highly for seeing my request to have the topic locked and doing so. Where as I was not impressed with Djkanna's actions towards my request.

I requested the topic to be locked. Not removed. I agree staff members should not be able to get any topic they wish removed but locking is a different matter. If that post had continued it could of ended up in a horrible state which would then mean it would need to be removed.

Djkanna noticed it was spam and put the posts in there own topic where they should be what is wrong with that?

Also md is posting as you said that you and he did the whole layout (i will look for the post in a moment) So this post is, well it was in the wrong topic, vaild. buy and use stuff all you wish we all do,however do not say they are yours. That was the whole point of his post...

Sorry, but let me get this straight. So if I said "I completely made this cup of coffe" does that mean I have to grow my own "coffe" and then harvest it and produce it into coffe beans. This is is why I don't see his point to be valid. Many designers use other people's assests to create their work. I obviously said that we created the layout in the most simplest form due to I didn't see their being a need to a explain how every element was sourced or created.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

I would prefer this topic to remain unlocked. I am proud of my companies work and I am very certain that our site is not breaching any laws what so ever. I wish for mdshare to attempt to prove me wrong at any point but I would need proof showing that the images are solely stolen and used against the rights of the original owner. If he cannot do so, then it just proves what kind of a man he is?

I've never mentioned that any image was stolen, I only said indirectly that credit has to be given to those that made it. Claiming that you (George, indirectly oxyden) made it all was a mistake.

I would like to point to the example post we made of an image Item Databases

Where we clearly stated the resources.

Your partner has a track record of being a thief more than once, and it will be though for you having him in your fictional company as the company doesn't exist by law, yet possible to create at one or another point. I do understand you are defending Oxyden, and I have full respect for your opinion. I would most likely do the same even with having a bad apple in the team as you have.

Anyway, as bad as everything sounds towards Oxyden or InfantryX do know it's not directed to both but to your partner.

[Lilith]

Good point Dave, I understand where you are coming from and you could have said that from the start. You could do George a favor and explain it to him as well. He questioned the legality of my gfx. Its kinda like buying a program and getting paid for using it. (examples ... word, works, Photoshop, ect) Its not like you sold the programs you used, just the images you created with it.

[Dominion]

I see your point here, however i don't think you see mine. are you part of a company that takes $100 off someone to make the tea? no but your make layouts and people have been using you site as an example that is why this post is valid. The clear attacks not so much in my opinion.

[Dave]

Good point Dave, I understand where you are coming from and you could have said that from the start. You could do George a favor and explain it to him as well. He questioned the legality of my gfx. Its kinda like buying a program and getting paid for using it. (examples ... word, works, Photoshop, ect) Its not like you sold the programs you used, just the images you created with it.

I am off course protecting my company and I will make sure that George is informed in how to resolve these situations and not try and find a flaw with work you have created. I apologise for his actions towards you in the previous post.

Your example is more valid then mine but it's late and I was struggling to think of a decent example to do with online services.

[BrowserGamesFactory]

Well George made some lose threats regarding this topic.

He said he would sue me and a few other members of MWG in this thread using the Defamation: Libel and Slander act from Canadian law.

Sadly he didn't read the fineprints....

In a December 2009 case, the Supreme Court of Canada established this new defence to a libel claim. The court said that journalists should be able to report statements and allegations – even if they are not true – if there’s a public interest in distributing the information to a wide audience. This defense, which looks at the whole context of a situation, can apply if:

 

* the news was urgent, serious, and of public importance, and

* the journalist used reliable sources, and tried to get and report the other side of the story.

 

The court defined “journalist” widely to include bloggers and anyone else “publishing material of public interest in any medium.”

[a_bertrand]

Well taking work of others to crate yours is called derivative work. You can do it, but you must have an agreement of the original artists / producers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

So using images (specially drawing) made by somebody else is not something you can do freely. On the picture side, it is maybe harder to say you didn't do yourself the same picture... but again you should normally not do it without having a license or permission to use the original work.

The best way to avoid that is to purchase one of the thousand "picture CD" you may get, which offer tons of stock pictures which can be used for derivative works. Just saying that everyone else on the net do the same is not a reason to do it yourself, specially if you plan to re-sell your work. Otherwise I could simply grab a copy of your template and use it on my site and state: "You did it yourself, why shouldn't be everyone able to copy your work as well?"

As an artist, or a company selling artist work you should be the first one to try to enforce the copyright rules and the last one to try to pirate other work.

[Dave]

I would like to state that I no longer work alongside George and all work that was completed by him will not be being used by me. Due to this I request (yet again) for the name of this topic to have my name removed.

I am currently investigating my Illustrator and I will report back on how that goes alongside evidence to prove him being legit.

[Jordan Palmer]

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I have removed all off topic crap, Anything left in the topic is valid and plays a part. Anything gone has gone.

 

George has also been requested to be deleted from MWG, I have followed through with his request, However he may have other accounts

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[Zeggy]

I know this topic is titled George, but I also know there have been some questions about Dave's illustrator (the guy who drew the weapons and characters).

I've been shown one of the images in its original form, and I can vouch for his illustrator that they are hand-drawn illustrations, not 3d renders.

[Dominion]

i believe dave tested him and confirmed he is legitimate.

[Dave]

Thank you for the confirmation Zeggy, and I did Dominion I just wanted to get someone to confirm it to the community so I didn't have to send it around to everyone (: