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Fellow members,

There is a new thread which lists all rules and some possible FAQs. We would like to ask that all you read through this once so you know what the actual rules are on this place. Most of the rules are actually common sense or were already in place verbally. We've written them down now to avoid any confusion. With this we hope to avoid certain situations which could have been prevented rather simple. The thread will grow as we learn from situations, as we can't possibly describe every situation.

These new rules are of course in place as of right now. And as any place on the internet, we reserve the right to change our rules without prior notification when required. This does not mean MWG will go in a lock-down, but it will become quite a bit stricter. We hope common sense will take the upper hand and that we do not have to become too strict as we wish to keep freedom of speech possible. This needs to happen with a certain respect in mind though.

 

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http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/39806-The-big-MWG-FAQ-amp-Rules-thread

Any comments, suggestions or ideas are welcome as always! Simply reply on this thread.

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Section 1.3, being Content.

If we are the sole owners of what we post, as you define "intellectual property", we should have all rights to it, including the removal thereof.

 

1.3 Content

All content posted on MWG stays the intellectual property of the author(s). However, by posting you allow MWG to reuse all content for various non-commercial activities, in return we WILL provide information on how to contact said author(s).

Deletion of content may be requested but the final decision will be made by the current MWG staff team. This request may be declined.

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Hence why there is an "however"- clause, it's there for a reason, other than adding some random characters that make up a sentence. You won't see us claiming claiming any works as our own. Common sense also says that one would ask permission before they will reuse the content, but if we have to ask the author each time we would like to promote an post to an article or anything of those likings, it's becoming rather unworkable.

Consider these 2 situations.

A user wants to delete his account and preferably anything he has posted.

If we were to delete all posts of said user, all threads that have been posted in might lose their value as those threads might become unreadable. With this we cover ourself against deletion of that content, while the user can just be set to "Guest" and the threads stay intact. As you can also read "the request may be declined", it doesn't mean it always will be declined. We will look at each request individually.

We decide to make an (e)book (non commercial, not planned, but purely hypothetical)

At some point our ebook is published and you decide that you no longer wish to be a part of a discussion within a thread on the forum. Say, that it becomes a rather good hit, and you wish to get some coin out of it and wish to see everything removed, eventhough you agreed in the beginning and after we have already distributed some copies. You could end up holding us accountable for your losses or whatever...

If we don't protect ourself here, we could end up in a rather difficult situation. We added that section just for those reasons and with the future in mind. No discussion possible afterwards.

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1.3 Content

All content posted on MWG stays the intellectual property of the author(s). However, by posting you allow MWG to reuse all content for various non-commercial activities, in return we WILL provide information on how to contact said author(s).

And exactly what are these so called non-commercial activities?

 

Deletion of content may be requested but the final decision will be made by the current MWG staff team. This request may be declined.

Oh sorry, we retain intellectual property but have to ask you for the privilege to delete? You jest of course.

 

2.2 Posting Guidelines

2.2.0 Before you post

Search around via either the forum search option (or google). We are willing to help, but your issue might already be covered in an article or in the manual itself. For all we know, your issue might be fixed at this point! Instant fix, rather quick, right?

So you'll be providing us with a search engine that actually works then? Come on, you expect us to follow ""your"" rules, yet provide no facilities? Sheesh.

 

2.2.5 SPAM / Off topic

Posts will be deleted at sight, the user might be warned or banned considering the situation.

Unless you are a mod/op in which case it's fair game... Good one

 

2.2.6 Promoting / Advertising

Promoting or advertising your services or products is allowed, but only in those boards that serve that purpose. In all other situations it will be considered SPAM or off topic (2.2.5).

I guess Alain's half-baked attempt at an ""engine"" is allowed, by this, odd that since its splattered all over the front end of the forums... Doesn't seem all-together fair to me.

 

2.3 User Profiles & Signature

2.3.1 User Signature

Please keep your signature to 5 lines MAXIMUM, preferably less. This to prevent threads where there is more to read in a profile signatures than in the actual posts itself. Allowing 5 lines should be more than enough to suite all needs.

So do something about it...

 

3.1 Staff Rights

Staff has the right to perform any action they wish as long as it suits the situation. Any action made by staff is not up for public discussion. When this is not to your likings, reconsider and eventually contact an high level admin (3.x)

ie. staff can do what they want, when they want, no holds barred.

 

3.x Issues with staff

Issues with staff should be reported to an Administrator. Please provide all information possible. We would like to create a healthy environment for all.

... And if you have a problem with staff, tough.

 

6.4 Can I add my web (game) engine on makewebgames.io?

Yes, you can for sure, however we go through a screening process. Be prepared to hand over a full featured product, as how you'd sell it to your clients, available for an internal test. Contact Nickson

What makes you think you are even remotely qualified to adjudicate products? Looking at existing products, you really fail rather badly on this.

I speak from experience here, I've had my account deleted, yet I've provided more public facing mods than anyone I'm aware of, I've found and patched more bugs in any number of engines include the venerable mccodes toy, and I've produced more viable code than the collective nuggets here can hope to produce in a month of Sundays, yet I'm questioned at every turn as to my motives, skills, and comments.

I'm sorry Nickson, but these rules have as usual not been properly thought out. Yes, I know your heart in the right place, god knows I've probably instigated a few of them, but for heavens sake think about what you are doing.

If I post something, *I* should have the ability to delete/revoke it

If I want to find things here, for heavens sake, employ a search engine that is actually usable rather than the sh*te that is currently in place

Off topic... Don't go there, since you yourself are guilty ;)

Promoting... Advertising... adblock plus aside :D, just look around will you. Either say its allowed or its not. Don't make rules for us or them... Yes, I'm looking at you Alain; the "I want to help the community .. yet charge for it"; sheesh, sorry, 6K sloc is an afterthought; get over it.

User sigs - dam right I'm with you there. 10/10 to the man in the corner. Of course... I think we (I use the term loosely, however I'm sure you understand me at this stage) tried this before - it failed - it will continue to fail. Enforce it or use GreaseMonkey.

Staff rights... over my content.... Sorry. Perhaps you have me confused with a 13y/o spotty nosed teenager. Personally I see no point in posting ""content"" here, since a the staff/mods are incapable of dealing with situations as they arise and b) the users are .. shall we say, a little lacking. Okay the latter I fully admit to being part of the problem, however I've manage to get more than one person from here onto a completely different level of programming, but that is perhaps ""off-topic"".

Issues with staff - sure, but whats the point? Dabs/CB don't appear to be around that much unfortunately, the remainder are either interested only in promoting their own *ahem* engine or doing bugger all. I removed a lot of my own posts from here a while back due to the ineptitude of the users and staff at the time and really, if I am to document the ins and outs of a particular algorithm / infrastructure - then with the current rules, sorry, I'll have to link to it since there is no way I'm prepared to do it here. Certain users notwithstanding, there really is no point outside of serving to promote MGW and (presumably) its adverseness.

As for providing a fully featured product; honestly, what part of that is even remotely realistic? I've personally had the privilege of working with some of the big-guns in the industry, and really, as a forum you don't come anywhere near close. That's not to say that I'm an arrogant soab (probably breaking various rules), I've learned a lot from my peers of late; yes, that's people from these very forums. I'm still constantly amazed and delighted at some of the ideas they manage to come up with and it's what makes this place and interesting environment for me.

Fell free to reply in public; private messages will be ignored.

 

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Well Octarine, I'm glad you replied. To be honest, I would be disappointed if you hadn't.

First of all, these new rules are aimed at all new content that appears on the site. The rules were not in place or anywhere public, so we can't really blame the users, and I won't either. Under "content" we understand anything from a simple reply to a whatever you can submit on this site basically.

 

And exactly what are these so called non-commercial activities?

Currently there is nothing more than just these forum boards, and the "e-zine" that acts on the front-page. If we had promoted your thread to an article, it would still be there, even if after you deleted your posts.

 

Oh sorry, we retain intellectual property but have to ask you for the privilege to delete? You jest of course.

I do not, you still have all rights over your content. You deleted all your posts, didn't you? It's not available for us anymore. It's not going to change in any way. It's just that you'll have to ask us when a certain post might be promoted (reused) as you can't delete that yourself. And also as I specified in my previous post in an answer to spud. Are we going to copy and reused everything, no of course not. But if we were ever to add an example in something, I don't want to get in trouble later because you changed your mind and do no longer want to co-operate. Truth being said, this rule was always in place since the very start of these forums as "ce/pg", I just wrote it down.

 

So you'll be providing us with a search engine that actually works then? Come on, you expect us to follow ""your"" rules, yet provide no facilities? Sheesh.

No, 2.2.0 before posting. Sometimes you will get an error during developing something, while you could make a post around your issue, you could also do a quick google, type in "T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM" and notice right away that it's a semi-colon. We aren't saying that you have to search an hour before you post an issue, as most issues will probably be rather unique. But sometimes they aren't, and you could find an answer to your problem much faster by doing a simple search. Just do it for yourself.

 

Unless you are a mod/op in which case it's fair game... Good one

well, many people want a stricter enforcement, well ... now we have rule which says you might lose your post if you don't adhere to the rules. Can someone still complain "abuse of staff powers"? No, we warned the people. Simple reasoning. Staff are in the same boat here. You know me well enough to know by now that I do not care whose post it is. If I see a post that doesn't belong somewhere it's gone, whether it's luke's, alain's or coldblooded. Not happy with a post? click on the report button. It's there for a reason.

 

I guess Alain's half-baked attempt at an ""engine"" is allowed, by this, odd that since its splattered all over the front end of the forums... Doesn't seem all-together fair to me.

I don't see why we should forbid alains engine on the forum, it's welcome as any other and he's allowed to post about it in any board that has got to do with game engines. However, you do have a point that it shouldn't be in any other boards. If you do see a post, send me the link, or click on report. The report system is quite a functionality, you do need to press it however.

 

2.3 User Profiles & Signature

We will, but give the users at least the time to change them?

 

ie. staff can do what they want, when they want, no holds barred.

That's what you think it means. If a staff member moves a thread and the thread gets moved back to it's original board later on, well then the staff member handled with the best intentions in mind and should not be yelled at. Do read the "as long as it suits the situation".

 

... And if you have a problem with staff, tough.

mail me, and if you have a problem with me you can either try to contact another admin or mail me anyhow, I can take criticism if it's posted in a constructive and respectful manner.

 

What makes you think you are even remotely qualified to adjudicate products? Looking at existing products, you really fail rather badly on this.

That's because I haven't made any decision on any existing product. All current engines were added by previous owners or admins. I do think my technical knowledge is larger enough though, but I'm not going to rate engines/scripts on their technical level at all. If you're not prepared to hand over one full working version so that I can take a look at, then why should I trust your product? What makes it qualified to have a place on these forums? I know you'll answer with something in the line of "these boards are of no worth to me", but I do not care. For all I know your engine could be a rebranded copy, or simply something that doesn't work when being used with the documentation. It's not about technical skill or how great the performance is of the engine. It's about doing a simple check on what a person might want to sell on here. I think we can both agree that scammers shouldn't have a place on these boards. If I'd simply allow anything, it would be too easy.

 

I speak from experience here, I've had my account deleted, yet I've provided more public facing mods than anyone I'm aware of, I've found and patched more bugs in any number of engines include the venerable mccodes toy, and I've produced more viable code than the collective nuggets here can hope to produce in a month of Sundays, yet I'm questioned at every turn as to my motives, skills, and comments.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I know better and I have actually learned quite a lot from you already. But I can not decide for others whether they want to actually learn something from you or not. That's their choice and we'll both have to respect that. But this seems rather unrelated to the actual matter of the post though.

 

I'm sorry Nickson, but these rules have as usual not been properly thought out. Yes, I know your heart in the right place, god knows I've probably instigated a few of them, but for heavens sake think about what you are doing.

I can only learn from experience. These rules have been on the admin boards long enough and all suggestions by other staffers are within these rules. As you clearly can see, these rules aren't set in some unbreakable concrete. They will be updated or changed when required. But the lack of was just disturbing. I'm trying to change some things around here with effective means, but as the popular saying goes "Rome wasn't built in a day", well mwg won't change in a day either. We're a community and I try to keep everyone happen when possible and take into account all suggestions that have been made, you need to make them of course, as you do now.

 

Off topic... Don't go there, since you yourself are guilty

I know I am, I know everyone is... but it's still hard to draw that very thin line between on & off topic.

 

Promoting... Advertising... adblock plus aside , just look around will you. Either say its allowed or its not. Don't make rules for us or them... Yes, I'm looking at you Alain; the "I want to help the community .. yet charge for it"; sheesh, sorry, 6K sloc is an afterthought; get over it.

There is a difference between making a post within the right category and within another thread that has got nothing to do with it. Again, use the report button if you think something is wrong. Making a report means it ends up with each staff member personally. If staffer A deletes it, it's still visible to staffer B. Can you make a thread about ezRPG/MCC/NWE in game projects? I don't see why not ... however NWE posts shouldn't be in the MCC category.

 

Issues with staff - sure, but whats the point? Dabs/CB don't appear to be around that much unfortunately,...

dabs & cold are not real staff on here, they are owners of the forums though. Maybe we should look into separating those two from the rest though.

I quote

Mccodes has indeed the ownership of Makewebgames. This is also the reason why dabs & coldblooded have full administrator rights. But that's about the end of the existing relationship. We (staff) have made some agreements with MCC during the acquisition in order to come as close as possible to everyone’s best interests.

from http://makewebgames.io/showthread.php/39796-Makewebgames-Mccodes-Relation

 

As for providing a fully featured product; honestly, what part of that is even remotely realistic? I've personally had the privilege of working with some of the big-guns in the industry, and really, as a forum you don't come anywhere near close. That's not to say that I'm an arrogant soab (probably breaking various rules), I've learned a lot from my peers of late; yes, that's people from these very forums. I'm still constantly amazed and delighted at some of the ideas they manage to come up with and it's what makes this place and interesting environment for me.

Okay great, but what does this have to do with the rules and such? And what fully features product are you talking about? There are some interesting ideas out here yes, but if I do want some information about the storwize v7000 in combination with svc setups, I'll just go look in our KB and not on these forums. These forums are still meant for hobbyists, not for professional daily use when you run into an issue and expect high quality problem solving like in a KB.

 

If I forgot to reply to something or I should go deeper into something, I'm sure you will repeat it in your next reaction.

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Oh sorry, we retain intellectual property but have to ask you for the privilege to delete? You jest of course.

I’m fairly sure the forum has a delete button for your own posts/threads anyway. You can’t delete your own work from someone else’s post (e.g. a quote) so you would need to ask. There is also the issue of a scammer, should we remove a whole thread that proves someone scams members or leave it to warn others? They should probably be banned, but using the same name on other sites means it can still be a warning for others.

I speak from experience here, I've had my account deleted, yet I've provided more public facing mods than anyone I'm aware of, I've found and patched more bugs in any number of engines include the venerable mccodes toy, and I've produced more viable code than the collective nuggets here can hope to produce in a month of Sundays, yet I'm questioned at every turn as to my motives, skills, and comments.

Everyone is questioned. If your posting good content people may as well ask about it, such as “why are you doing this that way?” If you feel a single member is just randomly attacking your advice ignore it. I for one love questioning the techniques of people simply because they could learn something, or even better for me, teach me something.

As for your old account I have no idea why it was deleted, but if you are who I think you are it was before most of the staff team even signed up.

Staff rights... over my content.... Sorry. Perhaps you have me confused with a 13y/o spotty nosed teenager. Personally I see no point in posting ""content"" here, since a the staff/mods are incapable of dealing with situations as they arise and b) the users are .. shall we say, a little lacking. Okay the latter I fully admit to being part of the problem, however I've manage to get more than one person from here onto a completely different level of programming, but that is perhaps ""off-topic"".

The thing with this, even if you post things off site, is what about people who backup whatever you post? I have PDF copies of your now removed tutorials because the threads were massive, and I wanted to read it well on my way to somewhere (it’s been a while I think that’s why I have them). Of course I would never re-post it. It’s your work, but should I delete a very useful resource? Or a more appropriate example say someone had quoted your words in another thread to prove their points (e.g. your example of isset() vs array_key_exists() ) should that be removed also?

By the way me having a copy has nothing to do with being a staff member; I would have a copy even if I wasn’t staff. Once something is in the public domain once the chances are someone may back it up.

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