MrGi Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Hacking/Hacker Definition: In common usage, a hacker is a person who breaks into computers, usually by gaining access to administrative controls.[1] The subculture that has evolved around hackers is often referred to as the computer underground. Proponents claim to be motivated by artistic and political ends, and are often unconcerned about the use of criminal means to achieve them.[2] Why Use It? Use Hacking for your own personal use. Such as, Seeing if your game is secure etc etc. Why is it a Big Problem Now? Every since the early 1970's i belive, hacking was introduced. Over the years, Users began to abuse hacking more and more. Now in today's world, Hacking Leads to prison time. So, Dont hack peoples games. Dont be suck a d*ck like that. They may be new to coding world, Or some other or-deal. You was once new to coding, and im sure, you didnt like it when people hacked your games. Show some respect! Dont hack! Quote
Rainbow Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Re: Hacking Well hackers hack into systems, the same way other criminals get into households and steal other peoples belongings - it is a crime, although with a scale of a basic MC game most of the time it may not be worth pursuing. I suppose sometimes these so called hackers try to get codes and encoded information, to get something out of it financially, but here - on this community, people just do it for the kicks, and ofcourse do it because they can and want to show off, the same way that kids spray paint other peoples property, they do it so they can boast how good they are, and kind of boast about it that essentially "wear" it as a badge of glory. It depends on the websites you run at the end of the day, if some bothers to try and find an vulnerability - which would be very rare - on my site then I would simply take legal action and report them to their ISP, and considering most "hackers" here are kids they probably dont even hack through a proxy and take their actions directly through their IP. My poiny is if someone exploits a website of mine I would be taking them to court even if it would involve a whole lot of time and money but ofcourse it is only if your website is big and the hacker caused substantial damage. So, Dont hack peoples games. Dont be suck a d*ck like that. They may be new to coding world, Or some other or-deal. You was once new to coding, and im sure, you didnt like it when people hacked your games. Well you must be an idiot to leave easy exploits to give people staff access/ server information etc... to totally ruin your game. And I personally encourage these hackers to come out and do it then atleast I know what the exploit is and I can fix it. Quote
Lithium Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 Re: Hacking @ MrGi, yet the definition of "Hacker" is poorly copied and fairly incomplete, you showed not an hacker way of doing things but a Cracker. Hackers hacking games? i really don't think so. Crackers "hacking" games? Definetly. Script kiddies "hacking" games? More than definetly. The point of your thread? To give a warn? i agree with that, yet state the facts right. The big picture? Hackers do not destroy/harm systems period, yet you refered as they did, the least you could've done was to talk about the sub-cultures under hacking, and then yes make a thread about it! Just my 0.02 cents. Quote
MrGi Posted June 21, 2009 Author Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking Well you must be an idiot to leave easy exploits to give people staff access/ server information etc... to totally ruin your game. And I personally encourage these hackers to come out and do it then atleast I know what the exploit is and I can fix it. Wow!, Just things Of "Well you must be an idiot to leave easy exploits to give people staff access/ server information etc" , You know, Some people are beginning to code, And not have learned the full exploits, etc etc. Everyone is not like you, There ARE some new coders that put alot of effort into thier games, and they are decent, Just not secure. So therefore, People like you go off and ruin there chances to being what they want. Quote
AlabamaHit Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking If they are new to coding they should hire a coder. And if they paid $300 for codes. $200 for hosting. They would pay for a coder. For if they drop $500 they DO have enough to pay a coder. Not dogging anyone for being new to coding. Just sayin. If you want to learn Use LAMP or XAMP Don't make a game. That is just stupid. Your waisting peoples time and money. You should not learn to code trying to make money. Quote
MrGi Posted June 21, 2009 Author Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking Why should they hire a coder? You tell me that. If they can code, At least decent! , Then why pay out the hind end to pay for a coder??? And yes, XAMP and LAMP are good to learn on, And making a game new to coding is not the best idea. But what im saying is, Most people dont understand the security rights as well as others, And people hacking them all the time, Is not helping them one bit. Instead of seeing a post "Security help" Then they post the site and ask for some help, You people hack it just to be mean about it. And have a good laugh. Im pretty sure you guys would laugh if per say I hacked your "greatly coded" game now would you? Quote
Haunted Dawg Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking If you had to hack my game, i would thank you. Why? Because then i've patched another security hole. If some one want's to own a game and does not know how to code. Some donator is going to come along and donate alot when they find out the owner is shutting down the game because he can't code or doesn't know what he is doing, who get's put in the shit place? The owner? NO! The donator. If they want to own a game they should do it on WAMP or open the game to public but shut down donation's. Third of all, i doubt anyone on these forum's atm has paid for their v2 licence. Maybe because they so "elite" by getting v2 for free they should maybe atleast pay for a coder to fix the security issue's and get a flipping proper domain! I can go on about you all day MrGi. But this thread is a waste. Do you honestly think there is a proper "hacker" on this forum? NO! They are all script kiddies using other people's founded exploit's. A game is mean't to be run by some one who has done it before, not some kid who think's "woo im gonna make ton of cash yo", you all take that perception wrong wth? And because im basicly on a rant im going to go that extra mile. How many on these forum's mail us every day asking for help? Let me see today I've helped eido.. and couple other's. My point of my post is... People who don't know how to code, run a website, handle big situations should not own a game unless they can fork out some cash for a coder and some one who know's how to run a website. Why should they hire a coder? I mean.. They wan't to own a game? They wan't us to spoon feed them? They wan't us to take off our time to help them? I'll revert your question.. Why should they not hire a coder? Quote
shrek1609 Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking I have to agree with you their Haunted, i knew nothing about php a year ago and i am still learning now... When i first started anything i couldn't do myself i hired people to do it, then i started to learn thanks to CE and many kind people... I run a dedicated server, which backups my games every 24 hours and i also do hard backups to my pc once a week, which i then backup again on to an external hard drive... These last couple of months i have realised that the way i learned php was wrong, ie i can code a script but not securely, hence the last couple of months i have been relearning to code securely and again thanks to CE i have now cracked this :) Quote
Rainbow Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking Well you must be an idiot to leave easy exploits to give people staff access/ server information etc... to totally ruin your game. And I personally encourage these hackers to come out and do it then atleast I know what the exploit is and I can fix it. Wow!, Just things Of "Well you must be an idiot to leave easy exploits to give people staff access/ server information etc" , You know, Some people are beginning to code, And not have learned the full exploits, etc etc. Everyone is not like you, There ARE some new coders that put alot of effort into thier games, and they are decent, Just not secure. So therefore, People like you go off and ruin there chances to being what they want. There are many pure maintenance releases for providing bugfixes and stability updates for the engine and many other utilities and services, all these releases focus on improving the stability of the engine, being security and bug related. Everyone should be encouraged to use such materials provided - and if you dont then well you are an idiot, simple as. If you are begining to code then refrain yourself from launching a game. You talk about these coders as they would be professionals yet they cannot even secure the simplest of things. Just because they can edit the background to a game does not mean they are programmers. It is not about the effort, sure enthusiasm is good but if you really have any brains you would focus your energy on reading PHP, MySQL and Server Configuration books, tutorials and play around with scripts. If you are to launch a game while you are on a learning experience sort of thing, then it will fail, and then the sooner the better, it just stops people from wasting their time on a dead cause - and in this case I encourage these "hackers". Also your statement just contradicts itself, decent games but just not secure, it just doesnt fit in a sentence. What about people like me? People who speak the truth and their own mind. You have no idea how hard I worked to acheive what I acheived and to reach to my standard that I think is pretty good. I read many books, many tutorials, played around with many scripts - excluding MC Codes. I have wasted months on learning and still I havent launched a game because I dont feel I am good enough to do so. People like me do not ruin any chances, so dont insult me by talking bullcrap, all I done was point out how foolish you looked when you made such a statement and you cant stand to be proven wrong. As I mentioned over and over again... I love hackers to hack my game and I would prefer them to just do it as then I can restore everything to a secure state, now I guess the problem here is that these "coders" you speak off havent got an idea of what to do in such case. Third of all, i doubt anyone on these forum's atm has paid for their v2 licence. Maybe because they so "elite" by getting v2 for free they should maybe atleast pay for a coder to fix the security issue's and get a flipping proper domain! That is not true. I have paid for my license. I can go on about you all day MrGi. But this thread is a waste. Do you honestly think there is a proper "hacker" on this forum? NO! They are all script kiddies using other people's founded exploit's. A game is mean't to be run by some one who has done it before, not some kid who think's "woo im gonna make ton of cash yo", you all take that perception wrong wth? Again not strictly true. I am sure there are a few people capeable of such an act but the obvious part is that firstly most of the people whom acquire this ability have common sense and descency not to do it for the wrong reasons, and secondly if they are to do it they would target something bigger. The latter statement - well it doesnt really make sense, you can only run a game if you had one before? Well someone had to start without experience, and thats fine, aslong as you worked your ass of to learn something and actually done something. But all in all I agree with your points. Why should they hire a coder? You tell me that. If they can code, At least decent! , Then why pay out the hind end to pay for a coder??? You misintepret the fact that they are not classified as a programmer if they cannot even use simple commands to secure a script. Decent is someone who knows the basics in PHP and probably someone who has had 1-2 years experience, everyone else would be classed as beginners simply because they are still learning. If they cannot secure a game they should hire a coder simple as - if they recieve money from donations then why should it go to them if they havent done anything. But what im saying is, Most people dont understand the security rights as well as others, And people hacking them all the time, Is not helping them one bit. Instead of seeing a post "Security help" Then they post the site and ask for some help If they do not understand it they should learn simple as. Patience is key and it is obvious they are in it for the quick buck if within 4-5 months they release a game. Yes it is helping them, if someone exploits, you know where the problem is and you look over the code and find it, then follow that up with fixing it - I guess the problem there is that these "coders" cannot do that because they havent got an idea of where to start. I recieve 4-5 mails per day on the forums I am on in total - which isnt a large amount but a substanial one - mails of asking for help security wise, most of the time I reply, and I never give a definite answer. I tell them what to do, if they understand then it means they are qualified to run a site, if they dont I ignore them. You people hack it just to be mean about it. And have a good laugh. Im pretty sure you guys would laugh if per say I hacked your "greatly coded" game now would you? I assume you ment we would not laugh? Well I do not have a game as of yet, even though I have many years of experience in programming, simply because I dont feel I have the credentials, however I ran a few websites and yes I would be ecstatic if you hacked me, because then I can fix the problem. Anyway on the server front you are alright, so aslong as you have backups there wont be a major problem. My point is that these people you refer to should get up from their asses and learn rather than winge and whine about it. Just like everyone else. Gracias. Quote
Lithium Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Re: Hacking @ MrGi: Hopefully by now you have already ready all the previous posts, and there are 2 posts (Alabama's and Haunted) that reflect things HOW THEY SHOULD BE. As an example... i found on a game, of one of CE's users, a quite nice flaw, even with code totally patched out and for certain 90% secured, what did i do? talked to the owner on the very moment i found it. I could ruined the game? sure i could, though i didn't. Also, as HD said, IF someone finds an exploit on a game of mine, i would thank that person, for showing me that i still had flaws that needed fixing. Bitching about it is absolutely childdish. If you set up an online game without any knowledge, well shame on you if don't hire someone to atleast give you a hand if/when these situations happen, as it will be most likely to happen for the amount of script kiddies floating around these games. Also, you say... "people like you", so i assume you know me and what i do. If that is the situation, well you don't know me at all. I work for one of the top 3 IT related companies in the world and the amount of people around that know which one is i can count them with my hand fingers. This is just to say that i do not have time nor patience to deal with exploitable games nor to "go off and ruin other people's games". People put a lot of effort you say? since i joined these forums, i've seen games popping more than rabbits, with people that even don't have a clue of what an IP address is, and you tell me that "hackers" (as you call them) have to be lenient with them? I say... people that does this... is simply asking for it! No more no less. I have had in the past a few games public facing, and only my first had problems. Did i gave up? did i cried like a baby? why should i? it only gave me more ways to dealt with these situations. One other thing you said made me laugh quite a bit... "And not have learned the full exploits". Learn exploits? what for? to become yet another script kiddie? Or do you need to learn to exploit to learn to code in a proper manner? I could point you a few 101's on beginner's security yet google is far more smart than me as he knows not a few but prolly a few thousands of those. Even when you placed the damn definition of an hacker i told you you were wrong, the least you could've done was... google it, get the facts and then talk (again) Quote
crorepati Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Re: Hacking I fully agree that hackers does any type of stealing. Is is not possible using hacker safe software which can prevent hacking like anti-virus software. Quote
Nickson Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Re: Hacking I fully agree that hackers does any type of stealing. Is is not possible using hacker safe software which can prevent hacking like anti-virus software. Not really, I'm afraid you're missing the point a bit. Compare it with this: A museum (server) has a very valuable item inside, you just put two guards (anti hacker software you say). A lot of people go in and go out, and someone stole that item, yet the guards didn't notice anything suspicious at all. It would be the museums fault for not guarding that item and only the doors... now revert it back to a game situation. Even if a server is guarded, in the end it is your fault for leaving the possibility to misuse the game functions. Quote
Lithium Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Re: Hacking I fully agree that hackers does any type of stealing. Is is not possible using hacker safe software which can prevent hacking like anti-virus software. ROTFLMAO even the "biggest" companies are vulnerable! http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mc ... _fraud.php Quote
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