What's your motivation?

[The]

So what are your motivations for making browser games? What drives you to make browser games instead of say, an attempt at 3d or Flash or something?

I'm curious.

[John99]

Re: What's your motivation?

Nice and called The. LOL!

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

The possibilities are endless.

However, if I could learn to make flash i would in a heartbeat.

[shedh]

Re: What's your motivation?

well i just do it as a hobbie, i don't need the motivation i just do it :wink:

nice users name the.....

[Rainbow]

Re: What's your motivation?

Well I think in general developers are often motivated by the challenge associated with developing a fun game, not necessarily the financial success it could lead to. However on here I think alot of the people do it to make quick cash, which I do not approve of, as it seems people actually earning some cash for their efforts. Although the work around here doesnt require much of it.

If your motivation is that then eventually you will need a solid plan so that you can afford servers to provide greater bandwidth to satisfy more players. This of course translates to more money.

I think the community here as a whole have originated from popular php games, torncity etc... That is why they are motivated by them. They saw the oppertunity of owning one themself and it is a challenge, and it seems noone gives into it and they all want to try.

I think there are like 20,000,000 domains using php extensions. So it shows how popular this is, although if you want the right question I doubt you will find it here, as alot of the people originate from the same community.

Personally at some point I would like to move onto 3D programming however I think it is like linguistics, the more you learn the easier it gets as you know how the conventional rules work, and I am sure it would help at some point. Even if the two languages arent alike you will be used to figuring it out - and how. I think PHP was relatively easy consider I knew HTML already and it seemed like a good choice to move onto PHP. I think I just do it as a hobby rather than a 'proffesional' which a few seem to have the wrong conception of, but overall the motivation posibilities are pretty endless and everyone would have a difference answer anyway :)

- Rainbow -

[The]

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well i just do it as a hobbie, i don't need the motivation i just do it ;)

nice users name the.....

I try ;)

 

Well I think in general developers are often motivated by the challenge associated with developing a fun game

I think the community here as a whole have originated from popular php games, torncity etc... That is why they are motivated by them. They saw the oppertunity of owning one themself and it is a challenge, and it seems noone gives into it and they all want to try.

I think there are like 20,000,000 domains using php extensions. So it shows how popular this is, although if you want the right question I doubt you will find it here, as alot of the people originate from the same community.

I think I just do it as a hobby rather than a 'proffesional' which a few seem to have the wrong conception of, but overall the motivation posibilities are pretty endless and everyone would have a difference answer anyway :)

Makes sense, Rainbow and shedh. Myself, I think that's where I am right now as well: enjoying tinkering with engine code to examine the underlying mechanic, not necessarily coming up with anything new yet, just trying to see where that leads me.

[Karlos]

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Myself personally I do it because in the end I personally feel like I have achieved something and I enjoyed myself while doing it because I learnt more stuff along the way. Then money is a factor.... Yea I need money to get advertising but that not the point i'd rather have an slightly inactive game which people enjoy than an active game that no-one enjoys.

[Zero-Affect]

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Most peoples motivation is money... they will deny it but it's true

i first started due to the money involved now i believe it to be more of a pass time and sometimes even fun.

Seeing that members like a play with your work then that's all that i really need.

Plus flash yes i would do it but blind people have issues with flash and i cater for all (or atleast attempt to).

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

Bringing fun to the players does give a sense of accomplishment.

But, in the end, we all need to pay for servers and maybe a new pair of shoes.

If we weren't making money, none of us would be here.

[Rainbow]

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If we weren't making money, none of us would be here.

Speak for yourself. Personally I am here to imrpove just to feel that sense of accomplishment and that I achieved something, no matter how big or small the milestone is. Its slightly for my common and general knowledge aswell as for my education, as I am sure some here would also like to become proffesional full time programmers. And I think you got the wrong perception of education, it doesnt have to be you enrolled in a fancy college or university or infact recieving some diploma/certificate on a piece of paper, personally I would value this experience much more and it is possible to achieve more here than there. I think some people are here, like myself for the hunger to learn, attempt a challenge, and just to feel good about yourself - embrace new ways of looking at life, and not always be a miserable guts no matter your circumstances.

To be honest I dont understand the obssesion with money, no offense to you, but I got the perception that you are so caught up in money that it pretty much becomes an obsession. Some people around here no matter how much money they earnt they may not neccasarily be as happy as the newbies, because the younger guys around here will be so happy with a release of a modification whilst some of the others who own the bigger websites seem far too occupied wasting time and energy building profitable websites, generally earning money... The fun factor ulimately has to here, and thats the main reason I think. I mean think of it this way, just because you will have more expensive things wont neccasarily make you happy - as happy is a state of mind that you think about you and the enviorment in the surroundings your in, and well the main purpose of CE is to improve and have fun doing it. Not to make money, or atleast not for me.

Socialising and generally reputation... Money can be earnt quickly, by more ways than one whilst it takes along time to build a good reputation, but only moments to lose it. People chase after many things, and they often under value the good things that come with relationships which should have our focus and priority. Wether it is an online friend or a real one, socialising is important and again I am here to 'meet' and talk to new people, people that have similar interests in me; I mean thats the whole point of forums isnt it?

I didnt mean to sound rude but I think its wrong to go towards your assumption saying we ALL are here for the money... making us seem like obssessed freaks. :-)

- Rainbow -

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

Money is what lets me live.

Coding and doing work for other people isn't a hobby. It's work.

What does work do? It pays you.

Money makes the world go round.

If you had none, you wouldnt even be on the internet right now.

[CtrlFreq]

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Personally I am here to imrpove just to feel that sense of accomplishment and that I achieved something, no matter how big or small the milestone is.

The difference is one of baselines... when you're new to coding, you feel a sense of accomplishment when you learn something as simple as the difference between print and echo... when you've been in the business a while, and have a successful game, the fiscal rewards become your milestones.

Don't get me wrong, I love the feeling when I knock something out of the park in terms of raising efficiency or eliminating bottlenecks, but that doesn't compare to watching the odometer spin past a few hundred grand.

[Rainbow]

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Money is what lets me live. Coding and doing work for other people isn't a hobby. It's work. What does work do? It pays you.

I guess a career in software development is just like any other career, but thats the problem, you fail to realise this community has mostly students in it, so they don't overly rely on work, most that work would probably have a part-time job. To me PHP and other coding, is like having a side venture. I like to think I will have quite a strong academic background, and find work elsewhere, however I will still maintain my interest in programming as for me it is both a HOBBY and a side venture. Its like saying collecting coins isnt a hobby... It is, because over the years value grows thus your making money.

I dont know you ofcourse but I would assume there is not a massive age gap between the average of the CE community age and yourself, you are probably around 19? So lets say you study, your full commitment isnt on work and therefore cannot be classed as a job in my opinion, afterall you will go elsewhere for money later on and if you gave up PHP you could probably find a part-time job doing something else, less plessurable that will pay more. But you choose to invest your free time and money on side ventures thus for you too I think it is a hobby - although it ofcourse depends on the freetime and wether you code for fun in it.

PHP is fun and challenging for me... I feel much more competent learning more each day, and my hobby is practiced for interest and enjoyment, rather than the financial reward I could get, ofcourse I do like the money :-D. but at the end of the day sustaining my interest in the subject and having a good time whilst expanding my knowledge is more rewarding.

 

Money makes the world go round.

If you had none, you wouldnt even be on the internet right now.

I thought it was the gravity and angular momentum... as for the Internet, its not payed for by the coding. :)

- Rainbow -

[Rainbow]

Re: What's your motivation?

Ok, well firstly... My Introduction, so you know abit about me, before you judge :-)

 

Well MDshare invited me to join this forum; and here I am. I do have a few worries in a sense that I will not be able to fit in due to the lack of graphic and coding talent I have, however I will try learning and settling into the community. I hope I will be going around adding value to the forum aswell as many people as possible. So I will try my best to build a solid foundation for myself as someone who is a benefit to the forum and I hope you guys value my presence at CE.

Right now I am developing my PHP knowledge, but mainly focusing on the graphical and design aspect of 'Web Design' am also trying to learn how to code themes for forums, I have a few friends that will be giving me some tutorials on the coding side of things and I decided that this community will be the best for the Graphical side aswell as coding if needs be. I tried joining a forum of similar calibre before that followed the Graphical genre however I struggled to fit in and did not seem like I could get accepted into the community and I could not get my voice across; Then I went on to loose passion and enthusiasm and eventually gave it up.

I am relatively new to SEO, even though I have owned a few websites I havent had MAJOR success, but have been into webpage creation, PHP anyway for over three years now. I joined this forum to learn as much as I can and hope to meet some others that can offer me advice and help... I hope to learn about website promotion as well as techniques to optimize my exposure.

Following are my skills that I used in different projects:

- Online Payment Integration with Paypal

- Google Maps API to display a location with pop-up info

- XML parsing to database and creating XML from DB data.

- CSV parsing to database and creating CSV from DB data.

- Handling File uploads and file downloads.

- Installing CAPTCHA security codes

- CMS

- Dynamic PDF File generation from the database information using FPDF libraries

- Online Diary for keeping reminders and events.

- Online DB Backup system

- Email Broadcasting

- Pre-Register System

- Working with complex queries in Mysql

- Calender Reminder/Appointment System

- Building application with SEO friendly URLs

- Installing PHP, MySQL, Apache & software apps in linux boxes.

Other skills than PHP:

- ASP

- SQL Server

- Cold Fusion

- HTML

- CSS

- JavaScript

- AJAX

A few I am better in than others, however I have a passion for doing this, and if you have any tutorials ( Advances Tutorials that is ) Then it would be much apprieciated. I know a little bit in everything rather than alot in one specific area, however sometimes that can be an advantage.

Abit about me; Well I enjoy reading and having indepth discussions and debates, as you may of figured I thrive on content. I like to think that I have relatively good spelling and grammar, although sometimes I am quite sloppy and make a few mistakes. I believe I have common courtesy and politeness when talking to people and respect those who have the same. I am interested in Sports, Music and trying to take an interest in Graphics; In a sense that I am very interested, but right now I simply pretty much suck, compared to the likes of Scarlet.

As some of you may of seen the announcement, I have been hired to do reviews for the network. So if anyone is intrested in a little bit of publicity then contact me, mdshare or post in the adequate topic that was provided. I will do all my best to help you, if you help me, help you ofcourse. Confusing I know :-D

See you around,

-Rainbow - The Kewl Guy

 

The difference is one of baselines... when you're new to coding, you feel a sense of accomplishment when you learn something as simple as the difference between print and echo... when you've been in the business a while, and have a successful game, the fiscal rewards become your milestones.

Don't get me wrong, I love the feeling when I knock something out of the park in terms of raising efficiency or eliminating bottlenecks, but that doesn't compare to watching the odometer spin past a few hundred grand.

I am not new to coding nor am I experienced at it. I have been programming many languages over the last three years or so, and I find it interesting and it is my hobby. I think three years is an adequate amount of time to say that I have been in the industry long enough, and I made a fair share of money over the years, a small fortune anyway. I havent owned a succesful game, but that is hardly my interest, I dont want to own a game, I want to be good at PHP and the other languages I have been learning and I want to maximise my potential. Everything I do for me is an achievement, maybe you are on of the people that I mentioned above that are so obssessed with money they neglect all the other things that should matter more in social aspects, education, general interest and fun...

I assume you are a full time and qualified programmer then. If so then ofocurse you will be interested in money however it seems to me that you were ignorant enough to jump into the argument and judge me before stopping and thinking what the initial argument and discussion is about, and that is; Cronus stated noone would be here if it was not for the money, and its untrue. I myself am not here for the money, and I know a few other people that arent interested in making a fortune from this either, only to satisfy themselfs. So his statement was incorrect and I just pointed it out and raised my argument. I respect the fact that your proffesional status may be higher than mine, and you may have more experience however that is no reason to pre-judge me when you dont know me. I mean you assume I am new to programming simply because I answered a question and I asked to see if my argument was valid. Because I initially thought Nyna was incorrect and that the speed is only marginally different, but according to her its bigger than that, so I will not argue as her proffesional status is superior to mine.

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

If there was no money flowing through what we were talking about, the community would have hardly grown and would never have been what it is today.

[Rainbow]

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If there was no money flowing through what we were talking about, the community would have hardly grown and would never have been what it is today.

Maybe it would not be the same and maybe it would not be this popular however the original statement that you posed of none of us would of been here for the money was invalid; as I know for a fact not everyone is here for the money. I was looking for a php community, and I liked this one, as I know some of the people here - and guess what, those people arent really interested in getting the money and its not why they are here. I agree with you, to an extent. However just because people spend money and modifications providing a money flow within the community does not make it a job to create a mod - it can simply be a hobby. Like collecting... I do understand where you are coming from in a sense, but I just wanted some banter and debate going on to liven things up :-P

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

If you really think the people on ce aren't here to make money than you don't know the community very well.

[Rainbow]

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If you really think the people on ce aren't here to make money than you don't know the community very well.

I never spoke about the community as a whole, I was reffering to several individuals. The people I know are here to socialise, have fun and just improve their overall knowledge. Some of the people dont even code here, they make graphics or just post in the community area. I mean its pretty ignorant to say that everyone wants to make money on here - and I cant over rule the initial statement straight away as I am part of the community and I for one am not here to make money, and yes I dont know the community very well at all, however the people I do know, I can assure you, making money through programming is the last thing on the agenda.

[Cronus]

Re: What's your motivation?

If you're not doing it as a job then I wouldn't consider yourself an active coder.

Simply someone that watches what we do and doesn't learn at all.

Therefore, accomplishing almost nothing.

[Rainbow]

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If you're not doing it as a job then I wouldn't consider yourself an active coder. Simply someone that watches what we do and doesn't learn at all. Therefore, accomplishing almost nothing.

I dont do it as a job, as I said I am doing it as a side venture. Education for me is the main priority and if I wanted to make money I would get a part time job, as it pays just as good if not better. I watch and I analyse thus improving my skills. I have accomplished enough to be proud of myself of the achievements, and maybe I have more self gratitude, which makes life more enjoyable when you can apprieciate the smaller things, rather than hope for a fairy tail in life. As I said, I think coding is a hobby, and knowing the community is mostly under age and most members attend school which they prioritise on their agenda it makes coding as a hobby for them too.

[Zero-Affect]

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I must disagree with you rainbow everyone on CE is after money including Cronus and many others the socialisers are really the learners who therefore are learning to gain money in the long run.

Basically everyone wants money they need money and they normally get it, not always the hard way...

[Rainbow]

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I must disagree with you rainbow everyone on CE is after money including Cronus and many others the socialisers are really the learners who therefore are learning to gain money in the long run.

Again untrue... I mean are you blind or something? I said I KNOW for a FACT that myself, and one or two others arent interested in the money aspect of coding, and even if you would not believe me that I know those people, I myself am part of the community and if I dont want to make money, then thats not everyone.

[Cronus]

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I fail to think your not trying to make some sort of profit or get some kind of benefit.

[Haunted Dawg]

Re: What's your motivation?

You got to make money to keep your website online. Or else you would not get an established website. That mean's your still making money ;)

[Rainbow]

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I fail to think your not trying to make some sort of profit or get some kind of benefit.

Yes, but thats side tracking your initial statement. If I did failed to make money from now on, I would still be here, to be coding as a freelancer is just a side venture, a hobby, because I like the actual fact of learning and developing my skills as a programmer.

 

You got to make money to keep your website online. Or else you would not get an established website. That mean's your still making money.

To learn PHP you dont have to keep your website online. I am sure not all people have websites on here either. I could host something on my local host, which doesnt cost me at all. Or a free host for that matter. And I never said I wanted an established website, I said I want to fulfil or atleast try to fulfil of achieving the standard of coding to the best of my ability. I just do it for fun, and something to brag about. Nothing to do with money what so ever.